Also there is never enough time and I am TRYING to write... /o\ Why does fandom not pay? PREACH
Lots of lovely thoughts on both relationships, but this is where you touch on the most important part (for me) - Ten/Rose *isn't* healthy, but it's held up as Twu Luw, and that's unfortunate. Don't get me wrong, I find it interesting. But RTD often has a tendency to be a bit too rose-tinted about these things. (wink) Therefore, I actually think Doctor/River is Moffat’s excellent response. My OTP of OTPs, no question about it; but I mean (okay, in general terms, I don’t agree completely, it’s more complicated than that, and most importantly it develops and grows), as a random person on the Internet put it: “I appreciate River and the Doctor's relationship because it is textually acknowledged to be dysfunctional. Even though River may sometimes romanticize their relationship it is always in the context that we are reminded how young she is at that point in their timeline and that she is a fairly messed up person. It's about two seriously messed up people trying to work for something functional rather than something idyllic.”
Oh don't apologise, it was very good!! I’m a perfectionist who among many other things, lost about 40 pages of rambling analyses and geek-notes in the Great Computer Crash of late 2016 and is in the process of painstakingly but successfully reconstructing it –okay, at least the vital bits, we have an OCPD to fight; in some respects the crash was a *good* thing. What I’m trying to say is, thank you; but I’m the person who felt the need to write a passionate two-page essay simply to refute a DW-novice-mum’s outrageous claim that 10 and 11 were not that different (btw, if interested, I thankfully still have that, do tell). And given our respective Who-experience, that’s a bit like finding a wasp in your room and bringing out the flamethrower –which I’d totally do, I’m excessive like that and fuck insects.
First vid: Cool, a bit too much flashing even for a non-epileptic. It made me realise and/or reaffirm two things: 1) 9/ROSE IS THE SHIT, OMG! Those cute motherfuckers! My babies! I mean, no offence to 10, and I’m glad Rose got her happy ending with 10.2, but Nine/Rose is much more interesting to watch. I actually think the *main* problem with 10/Rose is that 10 is usually a more entertaining Doctor with Donna, or Martha, or even just when he’s a lonely emo mess because he misses Rose. David Tennant totally sells that he adores her, but he is far more able to do so and be generally engaging when they are apart. Like, he is just very good at being sad; the audience is like “aww, this must have meant a lot to him. Look at the poor bastard”. The problem is that Rose and their chemistry is good, but I often don’t feel like I’m watching THE DOCTOR (while 9/Rose could do that), and that while it’s not bad by any means, it should be *better* than ANGSTY!10, and in my opinion, it isn’t. 2) YES, YES, YES, FUCK YES, Muse and DW. I’ve already sent you my favourite one. And put the word out, if a Whovian wants to gain my everlasting gratitude, s/he justs needs to do one thing: Make a Series 6 vid with “Take a Bow”. Because that is *totally* what is playing in 11’s head throughout it, increasing in volume and reaching its peak in “The God Complex”, and you can’t convince me otherwise. And *then* do a counterpoint with TWoRS and David Bowie’s “Rock and Roll Suicide”. WHO’S WITH ME?
Second vid: STANDING FUCKING OVATION, WOOOOOO!!!! In the faves asap. Do you know how difficult it is to find good 12 vids, let alone good 12 and Clara vids? But even if it wasn’t, this still would have been bloody brilliant. And of course ALL the connections :) You are absolutely right to love it to pieces. I feel like I should return the favour, somehow reward you, but I think you’ve already watched “The Dead Rory Sketch” and “The Big Whobowski”. (In case you haven’t though, first results you get on google, that’s them, enjoy).
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Lots of lovely thoughts on both relationships, but this is where you touch on the most important part (for me) - Ten/Rose *isn't* healthy, but it's held up as Twu Luw, and that's unfortunate. Don't get me wrong, I find it interesting. But RTD often has a tendency to be a bit too rose-tinted about these things.
(wink) Therefore, I actually think Doctor/River is Moffat’s excellent response. My OTP of OTPs, no question about it; but I mean (okay, in general terms, I don’t agree completely, it’s more complicated than that, and most importantly it develops and grows), as a random person on the Internet put it: “I appreciate River and the Doctor's relationship because it is textually acknowledged to be dysfunctional. Even though River may sometimes romanticize their relationship it is always in the context that we are reminded how young she is at that point in their timeline and that she is a fairly messed up person. It's about two seriously messed up people trying to work for something functional rather than something idyllic.”
Oh don't apologise, it was very good!!
I’m a perfectionist who among many other things, lost about 40 pages of rambling analyses and geek-notes in the Great Computer Crash of late 2016 and is in the process of painstakingly but successfully reconstructing it –okay, at least the vital bits, we have an OCPD to fight; in some respects the crash was a *good* thing.
What I’m trying to say is, thank you; but I’m the person who felt the need to write a passionate two-page essay simply to refute a DW-novice-mum’s outrageous claim that 10 and 11 were not that different (btw, if interested, I thankfully still have that, do tell). And given our respective Who-experience, that’s a bit like finding a wasp in your room and bringing out the flamethrower –which I’d totally do, I’m excessive like that and fuck insects.
First vid: Cool, a bit too much flashing even for a non-epileptic. It made me realise and/or reaffirm two things:
1) 9/ROSE IS THE SHIT, OMG! Those cute motherfuckers! My babies! I mean, no offence to 10, and I’m glad Rose got her happy ending with 10.2, but Nine/Rose is much more interesting to watch.
I actually think the *main* problem with 10/Rose is that 10 is usually a more entertaining Doctor with Donna, or Martha, or even just when he’s a lonely emo mess because he misses Rose. David Tennant totally sells that he adores her, but he is far more able to do so and be generally engaging when they are apart. Like, he is just very good at being sad; the audience is like “aww, this must have meant a lot to him. Look at the poor bastard”. The problem is that Rose and their chemistry is good, but I often don’t feel like I’m watching THE DOCTOR (while 9/Rose could do that), and that while it’s not bad by any means, it should be *better* than ANGSTY!10, and in my opinion, it isn’t.
2) YES, YES, YES, FUCK YES, Muse and DW. I’ve already sent you my favourite one. And put the word out, if a Whovian wants to gain my everlasting gratitude, s/he justs needs to do one thing: Make a Series 6 vid with “Take a Bow”. Because that is *totally* what is playing in 11’s head throughout it, increasing in volume and reaching its peak in “The God Complex”, and you can’t convince me otherwise.
And *then* do a counterpoint with TWoRS and David Bowie’s “Rock and Roll Suicide”. WHO’S WITH ME?
Second vid: STANDING FUCKING OVATION, WOOOOOO!!!!
In the faves asap. Do you know how difficult it is to find good 12 vids, let alone good 12 and Clara vids? But even if it wasn’t, this still would have been bloody brilliant. And of course ALL the connections :) You are absolutely right to love it to pieces.
I feel like I should return the favour, somehow reward you, but I think you’ve already watched “The Dead Rory Sketch” and “The Big Whobowski”.
(In case you haven’t though, first results you get on google, that’s them, enjoy).