Oh I am VERY fond of Twelve. Who isn’t?! He who is not fond of 12, is not fond of LIFE!!!
You obviously have a great taste in cosplaying. And what is your name again on ff? I can find you easily enough on Dev, but have no idea how to find anything there. Thank you! It mostly strikes as inspiration at 3 in the morning, completely out of nowhere, or after I have dismissed the idea half a dozen times as undoable. Think Movie!Sherlock deducing things montage but backwards: “Oh, a picture of that character…The hair! Similarity!!! Have the trousers, have basic make-up things. The shirt. Now, if I buy a thing, I can cut it in half, and then sew this jacket on it, and paint it yellow, and replace the sleeves, and wear it backwards under this huge Victorian waistcoat and if I combine it with these boots it looks exactly like that character. Elementary”. Oh, and it’s BasiliskRules everywhere.
It might be 2020... (Am just not in that mood) Oh well, whenever you want, I’m just saying. And yes, the mood is important.
I like how it was a nice counterbalance/could be seen a sly criticism/do-over of Ten/Rose, delving much deeper into the issues and how unhealthy that kind of relationship could be. Oh, it definitely could be. Although I think it is different from that too, I can’t see 10/Rose as really platonic, and their co-dependency is not the same: Ten *loves* Rose -> No Rose -> miserable because, well, he loves her. Twelve and Clara are like: “OMG, my favourite person! Not here! Aaah!(hyperventilating) Need… person… to function! You adorkable mess, don’t do this to me again! (mutual protectiveness)”. The “because” doesn’t enter here, the situation just *is* (and they don’t really think about it because it works fine as it is and they are busy being adrenaline junkies.) Moreover, different personalities/character arcs/general relationship with 9 and 11 respectively. Also, I think that despite there still being serious idealization in all cases, 12 and Clara understand each other much better. Of course, one could say this makes it worse for 10/Rose(therefore, criticize it): Because Clara/12 becomes unhealthy because they grow too similar, too attached after all they’ve been through together, they are both traumatized by things, are a bit competitive/push each other to extremes, and they both have done HUGE things for each other, which increases the importance of the one in the other’s eyes too much. *Even* if you want to say “love”, it’s not like that, just that, it’s three different combinations of affection, it’s a very complicated relationship. One could even say that some bad consequences -after all this time- are inevitable. Whereas with 10 and Rose, you want to present a traditional romance, “true love”, let’s say, in every sense of the word. And it is often unhealthy. 10 basically builds himself for Rose. Although *she* has a choice, she doesn’t try to have any real life/relationships outside the TARDIS. They both delude themselves that this can last forever. These two could marry, the lifestyle doesn’t matter in the end; Ten *wishes* he was his clone (see the differences). But the power dynamic is very unbalanced and the dysfunctionality, the problems, the unhealthy aspect is never acknowledged. Not judging the poor bastards, but what I’m trying to say is that the two relationships are unhealthy for different reasons. And the one that *in story* is deemed more important, higher, not-your-typical-dynamic-this-is-deeper, the thing, the love of a lifetime, is slightly more unhealthy and for less excusable reasons. And since it is that (and one can’t say that it’s just deep friendship, Tragic Bromance, co-dependency of survivors of serious shit, mentor-student, *companions* in the most perfect realization of the term etc), it doesn’t have the right to be so.
End of rant, sorry, don’t have my analyses, I can do better than that. Basically, 10/Rose = tragic romance, star-crossed lovers, let’s hurt the Doc, GIVE THEM A HAPPY ENDING, NO, YOU GET CLONE, 10 has great !MANGER! and angst, we want to exploit it, 12/Clara = insanely deep platonic affection, you are both incredibly cute and you do great things; sorry that you’re the Hybrid too, you should split. Go both be the Doctor.
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Who isn’t?! He who is not fond of 12, is not fond of LIFE!!!
You obviously have a great taste in cosplaying. And what is your name again on ff? I can find you easily enough on Dev, but have no idea how to find anything there.
Thank you! It mostly strikes as inspiration at 3 in the morning, completely out of nowhere, or after I have dismissed the idea half a dozen times as undoable. Think Movie!Sherlock deducing things montage but backwards: “Oh, a picture of that character…The hair! Similarity!!! Have the trousers, have basic make-up things. The shirt. Now, if I buy a thing, I can cut it in half, and then sew this jacket on it, and paint it yellow, and replace the sleeves, and wear it backwards under this huge Victorian waistcoat and if I combine it with these boots it looks exactly like that character. Elementary”.
Oh, and it’s BasiliskRules everywhere.
It might be 2020... (Am just not in that mood)
Oh well, whenever you want, I’m just saying. And yes, the mood is important.
I like how it was a nice counterbalance/could be seen a sly criticism/do-over of Ten/Rose, delving much deeper into the issues and how unhealthy that kind of relationship could be.
Oh, it definitely could be. Although I think it is different from that too, I can’t see 10/Rose as really platonic, and their co-dependency is not the same: Ten *loves* Rose -> No Rose -> miserable because, well, he loves her. Twelve and Clara are like: “OMG, my favourite person! Not here! Aaah!(hyperventilating) Need… person… to function! You adorkable mess, don’t do this to me again! (mutual protectiveness)”. The “because” doesn’t enter here, the situation just *is* (and they don’t really think about it because it works fine as it is and they are busy being adrenaline junkies.) Moreover, different personalities/character arcs/general relationship with 9 and 11 respectively. Also, I think that despite there still being serious idealization in all cases, 12 and Clara understand each other much better.
Of course, one could say this makes it worse for 10/Rose(therefore, criticize it): Because Clara/12 becomes unhealthy because they grow too similar, too attached after all they’ve been through together, they are both traumatized by things, are a bit competitive/push each other to extremes, and they both have done HUGE things for each other, which increases the importance of the one in the other’s eyes too much. *Even* if you want to say “love”, it’s not like that, just that, it’s three different combinations of affection, it’s a very complicated relationship. One could even say that some bad consequences -after all this time- are inevitable.
Whereas with 10 and Rose, you want to present a traditional romance, “true love”, let’s say, in every sense of the word. And it is often unhealthy. 10 basically builds himself for Rose. Although *she* has a choice, she doesn’t try to have any real life/relationships outside the TARDIS. They both delude themselves that this can last forever. These two could marry, the lifestyle doesn’t matter in the end; Ten *wishes* he was his clone (see the differences). But the power dynamic is very unbalanced and the dysfunctionality, the problems, the unhealthy aspect is never acknowledged.
Not judging the poor bastards, but what I’m trying to say is that the two relationships are unhealthy for different reasons. And the one that *in story* is deemed more important, higher, not-your-typical-dynamic-this-is-deeper, the thing, the love of a lifetime, is slightly more unhealthy and for less excusable reasons. And since it is that (and one can’t say that it’s just deep friendship, Tragic Bromance, co-dependency of survivors of serious shit, mentor-student, *companions* in the most perfect realization of the term etc), it doesn’t have the right to be so.
End of rant, sorry, don’t have my analyses, I can do better than that.
Basically, 10/Rose = tragic romance, star-crossed lovers, let’s hurt the Doc, GIVE THEM A HAPPY ENDING, NO, YOU GET CLONE, 10 has great !MANGER! and angst, we want to exploit it,
12/Clara = insanely deep platonic affection, you are both incredibly cute and you do great things; sorry that you’re the Hybrid too, you should split. Go both be the Doctor.