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Doctor Who was DELIGHTFUL.
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Yeah. That. :)
(Having a lovely Christmas, will try to write a proper entry at some point.)
My thoughts go as follows: River. River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River River...
Yeah. That. :)
(Having a lovely Christmas, will try to write a proper entry at some point.)
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Merry Christmas ♥
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i kind of lost at at "hello, sweetie." *whimpers*
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(Although the Hello Sweetie was wonderful. As was the mirrored speech. ♥)
ETA: Not that Capaldi isn't brilliant, and of course they are good together, because they're both amazing actors. I just miss my Eleventy.
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And even though its pretty much the opposite of the point of the episode, it just left me even more convinced that TWELVE NEEDS TO GET OFF HIS ASS AND RESCUE HER FROM THAT STUPID LIBRARY COMPUTER. RIVER!
*flails, runs around in circles, falls over*
Just too many feelings.
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No but, he can't and he shouldn't. And they'll have 24 years. I understand wanting her back, but it's one of those points where I get really stubborn. ETA: It's like Clara! River's ending is fixed. There is 'wiggle room' before the Library, but not after.
Just too many feelings.
Yeah, this. I need to process it all. And rewatch. A LOT.
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It was like Moffat said to himself, 'well if we can't give them the River spin-off series, I'll just write the episode with a Doctor guest appearance.'
It was awesome.
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LOVE IT. Yes. And Moffat did say, that this is basically getting a look at what River gets up to 'on her own'.
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Yes, you know who I am
(Anonymous) 2015-12-26 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)Which I suppose was kind of the point, so okay.
Also, between this and Heaven Sent, I think we should all agree that Murray Gold is a gift from God to all mankind or otherwise some kind of deity himself, establish Goldism as a new religion, and throw all the awards in his general direction.
We also got to see Capaldi eat ALL the scenery and it was good, amen.
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However, I’m *me* and I have a tiny problem, help me.
The episode was indeed amazing, but I think it creates some continuity problems.
Hear me out. I’m not talking about plot, I’m talking about character behaviors and motivations. And I’m aware that the explanation to all this is “they didn’t know then, Moffat wrote this a few months ago”, but I am doing IN-universe.
We see that after all, 11 didn’t take River to the Singing Towers in “Last Night”, something happened at the last minute, he changed his mind and they did something else.
Now of course this makes sense. River mentioned that the Doctor had been promising for ages, of course he’d want to avoid it, postpone it, why not that time too?
However, River’s absence from the second half of Series 7, 11’s behavior, and especially EVERYTHING in The Name of the Doctor, suggest that 11 *had* indeed at some point taken her there, probably before London. He talks and acts like she is dead for all intents and purposes from his point of view, like their time together has all been spent. Like he thinks it’s over. Avoiding contact with her data ghost is presented as something he did because it would hurt him. Well, why would the Doctor even have this possibility to think of and avoid if he could still meet a *living* River?
Plus, putting it off *is* in character, but the thing is he *knew* he had no more regenerations left, and he has all this impending doom with the prophecy about Treanzalore too. He has every reason to think that he is going to die, and if he doesn’t take her to the Towers before that, there’s going to be a paradox, plus he won’t save her data ghost like he states he did. Even if he somehow finds out that she already has the screwdriver, or a note or something that they already went there, he’d assume that *he* would have to do it, because he believes at that point that 12 can’t exist.
(And one would think that *even* if he hadn’t done it before TNOTD, their encounter there would prompt him to do it after that at least, especially since he’s still all "impending death” in TDOTD).
Their final encounter in TNOTD was presented as an unexpected event that managed to give him some closure, after he had been trying to move on (with varying degrees of success).
“River always knew”. Why is River IN THE PAST, even for a time-traveler? Why would there be moving on needed, avoidance and refusal to consider the reality, the fact of her death, if their time hadn’t ended?
Yes, seeing her final death in her post-Library state would be a sad occasion no matter when the Doctor did it, but there it seems like he thinks that’s the last goodbye. If he still has to take her to Dallirium, if he still thinks he can meet her in general, what gives?
So I don’t know, the only way this makes sense to me is if 11 *did* somehow think during series 7 that it’s over, that he had taker her there. Remember, he was going to, so he must have had *already* built the screwdriver, but was like “nope, later” and kept not doing it.
So, I’m thinking…between 11’s attitude, all this memory wiping technology going around, AND the added bonus of “First Night/Last Night” being so timey wimey with all those versions of River and 11 going around, wouldn’t it make sense if he somehow forgot –like he forgot 12 in TDOTD- about the last minute change of plans and what they did afterwards, and he assumed that they *did* go there -after all, he was intending to- and he thought that this was it and run off/went off to mourn and try to move on/was miserable until Clara?
(And I suppose he wouldn’t keep the screwdriver in plain sight, really, to be reminded by that).
And the effect wore off once he regenerated (whole new cycle, unnatural, regeneration does things to you in general anyway) so now he still has it again in his “To Do (but later)” list as 12 until this episode?
Thoughts?
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Right, off the top of my head...
Like Kazran (alll the A Christmas Carol parallels, yay! ♥) the Doctor was hoarding his last day with River like an old miser:
SARDICK: Could you do it? Could you do this? Think about it, Doctor. One last day with your beloved. Which day would you choose?
In The Snowmen he's retired, and knows he should go say his last goodbye, but is obviously putting it off.
Then Clara etc. and he goes back to adventuring, and manages to say an even more permanent goodbye in Name of the Doctor. Which probably makes him even more reluctant. Trenzalore (in Time of the Doctor) came as a surprise - he doesn't know what the planet is, but once he's there, he's stuck. And he gets old, and accepts his death, even though it leaves other things unfinished. What can he do? (Time finds a way somehow. By then, I figure he doesn't much care about this stuff.)
Except then of course he gets given more regenerations, and suddenly he's not bound by anything. And oh, he and Clara go off and run away and he even goes all Victorious again. But he learns from Clara, and then takes that lesson to heart at the end of this ep.
Does that work?
/hastily cobbled together
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*DANCES*
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