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DW 9.10. Face the Raven
Meta café time...
I'm leaving out huge amounts in order to focus on just the main imagery. But I wanted... something pared down? Not that it's short, but - you'll see. There might be more thoughts later (/rambling) and maybe even fic.
But for now - Clara.
Just Clara.
Killed by Death
Clara died.
This is an important point.
The companion died.
She wasn’t lost to time or mindwiped, nor did she fall into another universe or walk away. She died.
I don’t think this has happened since Adric.
But almost more important is how.
She wasn’t shot or blown up or run over or stabbed or poisoned… She was killed by death.
Literally and figuratively.
The raven extinguished her life – a literal manifestation of its mythical symbolism, as the raven is traditionally known as mediator animal between life and death. We know the Street has a telepathic field that ‘normalises everything you see, places it within the compass of your expectations, your experiences.’
And for death, you see a raven.
Going back to Norse mythology, Odin is depicted as having two ravens – Huginn and Muninn – serving as his eyes and ears: Huginn being referred to as thought and Muninn as memory. The Norse connection being especially poignant as Ashildr, Odin’s Valkyrie, is back; her role to gather those fallen in battle… … (See my post on The Girl Who Died)
But the raven was also a ‘Quantum Shade’.
- In literature and poetry, a shade can be taken to mean the spirit or ghost of a dead person, residing in the underworld.
- In physics, quantum mechanics – or rather, the uncertainty principle – states ‘the impossibility of simultaneously specifying the precise position and momentum of any particle’.
In terms of a Quantum Shade this would seem to be the unlife of the raven, simultaneously dead and alive (it is neither and both); it is a physical (yet transient) mark on the skin and a bird; it kills people yet does not touch them.
Symbolically, then Clara has always been associated with birds, right from the start… (We hear Carmen, before we even see her):
We have also often seen her with a Horus/bird necklace/jewellery (graphic courtesy of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
purplefringe):
I have talked about Horus before, but here are the basics:
If Clara is Horus, then clearly Gallifrey is Osiris, and she is (gradually) helping to restore it, through an elaborate storyline often involving death and the afterlife.
Going back to that gorgeous graphic above, of course I can’t not talk about her mother’s name…
Ellie Ravenwood is, I think, just about as complex a name as Clara (bright) Oswin (god’s friend) Oswald (god’s power).
I have talked about the duality of Clara before, how she is Schrödinger’s Companion, and it is entirely fitting that Clara’s ending is as much about duality as her life was.
Her origin story bound in a leaf, strong enough to defeat a sun god; her ending her own… and yet not.
She took upon herself another’s death, sacrificed herself for his sake. The death was transferred, but - it was not a death meant for her.
And that, I think, will be important. To quote The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe:
Rigsy was no traitor, and I do not think that Clara will come back to life. But still – there are rules within fairy tales (and Doctor Who is, at heart, a fairy tale), and the hero who nobly sacrifices herself in another’s stead will not go unrewarded.
Especially as death is usually an important step in a hero’s journey:
11. THE RESURRECTION. At the climax, the hero is severely tested once more on the threshold of home. He or she is purified by a last sacrifice, another moment of death and rebirth, but on a higher and more complete level. By the hero’s action, the polarities that were in conflict at the beginning are finally resolved.
12. RETURN WITH THE ELIXIR. The hero returns home or continues the journey, bearing some element of the treasure that has the power to transform the world as the hero has been transformed.
This episode is was obviously the death, and I am sure that because of that she will somehow have the power to help resolve the ultimate conflict of the narrative. Bringing back Gallifrey or something along those lines would be my guess. But she's always been connected to Gallifrey. And Daleks. Could she be an egg? Time will tell. For now...
(x)
And the next lines are:
Death means transformation, and re-birth.
Full fathom five thy father lies.
Of his bones are coral made.
Those are pearls that were his eyes.
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Be a Doctor
Clara’s role, from first till last, has been as the one who saves the Doctor, usually by reminding him who he is.
(Something of course started by River in A Good Man Goes To War, the pivotal turning point in Moffat Who. Back then River gave him the choice between Warrior and Doctor, and Clara carries that same torch.)
In her first appearance, as Oswin, she severed the link between the Doctor’s warrior status and the Daleks, helping to turn his name from something to be feared, to a question once more.
In her second appearance, she once more gave him something to live for, made him be the Doctor rather than a man who walked away.
Then, as ‘herself’ in The Name of the Doctor she saved him physically, creating endless echoes, but more importantly she gave him back himself in The Day of the Doctor. (Where we had River in the role of Fairy Godmother, watching over her protége and helping her.) And the way she saved him - and Gallifrey - was by reminding him of who he was:
DOCTOR: Then what do I do?
CLARA: What you've always done. Be a doctor. You told me the name you chose was a promise. What was the promise?
TENTH DOCTOR: Never cruel or cowardly.
WAR DOCTOR: Never give up, never give in.
We see the same here.
Clara is about to die, but she spends her last moments reminding and instructing him:
CLARA: You. Now, you listen to me. You're going to be alone now, and you're very bad at that. You're going to be furious and you're going to be sad, but listen to me. Don't let this change you. No, listen. Whatever happens next, wherever she is sending you, I know what you're capable of. You don't be a Warrior. Promise me. Be a Doctor.
Because being the Doctor is a choice:
DOCTOR: There's no such thing as the Doctor. I'm just a bloke in a box, telling stories. And because sometimes, on a good day, if I try very hard, I'm not some old Time Lord who ran away. I'm the Doctor.
The way Clara does this is also consistent…
DOCTOR: Because I've been where you have. There was another box. I was going to press another button. I was going to wipe out all of my own kind, man, woman and child. I was so sure I was right.
BONNIE: What happened?
DOCTOR: The same thing that happened to you. I let Clara Oswald get inside my head. Trust me. She doesn't leave.
I talked, after the Zygon episodes, about Clara as an idea. About the Osgoods as a concept, the two of them embodying The Peace.
As I suspected, Clara does something very similar here (and I expect this to be enhanced) – she makes herself the one who holds the Doctor to the mark. Her memory, the idea of her, something to remind him who he is supposed to be. She has, indeed, become The Peace - the Doctor’s own, private, Peace:
CLARA: Heal yourself. You have to. You can't let this turn you into a monster. So, I'm not asking you for a promise, I'm giving you an order. You will not insult my memory. There will be no revenge. I will die, and no one else, here or anywhere, will suffer.
All season the narrative has toyed with what would happen if the Doctor lost Clara.
- When he lost Donna he decided to travel alone.
- And when he lost his Ponds he retired entirely.
What now? He may want to burn everything, but she has not left him that option. Only time will tell.
And finally...
My Tribute to Clara and the Doctor
Goodbye Impossible Girl. ♥
I'm leaving out huge amounts in order to focus on just the main imagery. But I wanted... something pared down? Not that it's short, but - you'll see. There might be more thoughts later (/rambling) and maybe even fic.
But for now - Clara.
Just Clara.
Clara died.
This is an important point.
The companion died.
She wasn’t lost to time or mindwiped, nor did she fall into another universe or walk away. She died.
I don’t think this has happened since Adric.
But almost more important is how.
She wasn’t shot or blown up or run over or stabbed or poisoned… She was killed by death.
Literally and figuratively.
The raven extinguished her life – a literal manifestation of its mythical symbolism, as the raven is traditionally known as mediator animal between life and death. We know the Street has a telepathic field that ‘normalises everything you see, places it within the compass of your expectations, your experiences.’
And for death, you see a raven.
Going back to Norse mythology, Odin is depicted as having two ravens – Huginn and Muninn – serving as his eyes and ears: Huginn being referred to as thought and Muninn as memory. The Norse connection being especially poignant as Ashildr, Odin’s Valkyrie, is back; her role to gather those fallen in battle… … (See my post on The Girl Who Died)
But the raven was also a ‘Quantum Shade’.
- In literature and poetry, a shade can be taken to mean the spirit or ghost of a dead person, residing in the underworld.
- In physics, quantum mechanics – or rather, the uncertainty principle – states ‘the impossibility of simultaneously specifying the precise position and momentum of any particle’.
In terms of a Quantum Shade this would seem to be the unlife of the raven, simultaneously dead and alive (it is neither and both); it is a physical (yet transient) mark on the skin and a bird; it kills people yet does not touch them.
Symbolically, then Clara has always been associated with birds, right from the start… (We hear Carmen, before we even see her):
We have also often seen her with a Horus/bird necklace/jewellery (graphic courtesy of
purplefringe):I have talked about Horus before, but here are the basics:
Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egypt specialists. These various forms may possibly be different perceptions of the same multi-layered deity in which certain attributes or syncretic relationships are emphasized, not necessarily in opposition but complementary to one another, consistent with how the Ancient Egyptians viewed the multiple facets of reality. He was most often depicted as a falcon, most likely a lanner or peregrine, or as a man with a falcon head.
The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife.
If Clara is Horus, then clearly Gallifrey is Osiris, and she is (gradually) helping to restore it, through an elaborate storyline often involving death and the afterlife.
Going back to that gorgeous graphic above, of course I can’t not talk about her mother’s name…
Ellie Ravenwood is, I think, just about as complex a name as Clara (bright) Oswin (god’s friend) Oswald (god’s power).
- Ellie is a pet form of Ellen or more commonly Eleanor, which itself is of Hebrew origin and comes from the Hebrew element 'el' meaning 'god' and 'or' meaning light, so the name means 'God is my light'.
- Raven of course signifies death, and Ellie died on the date when ‘Rose’ first aired. (Also remember that Clara’s birthday is 23rd of November. I plain refuse to believe these dates are random.)
- Wood… I don’t even know where to start. Although as the woman whose love story (and daughter) began with a leaf, it’s infinitely fitting.
I have talked about the duality of Clara before, how she is Schrödinger’s Companion, and it is entirely fitting that Clara’s ending is as much about duality as her life was.
Her origin story bound in a leaf, strong enough to defeat a sun god; her ending her own… and yet not.
She took upon herself another’s death, sacrificed herself for his sake. The death was transferred, but - it was not a death meant for her.
And that, I think, will be important. To quote The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe:
"But what does it all mean?" asked Susan when they were somewhat calmer.
"It means," said Aslan, "that though the Witch knew the Deep Magic, there is a magic deeper still which she did not know. Her knowledge goes back only to the dawn of Time. But if she could have looked a little further back, into the stillness and the darkness before Time dawned, she would have read there a different incantation. She would have known that when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."
Rigsy was no traitor, and I do not think that Clara will come back to life. But still – there are rules within fairy tales (and Doctor Who is, at heart, a fairy tale), and the hero who nobly sacrifices herself in another’s stead will not go unrewarded.
Especially as death is usually an important step in a hero’s journey:
11. THE RESURRECTION. At the climax, the hero is severely tested once more on the threshold of home. He or she is purified by a last sacrifice, another moment of death and rebirth, but on a higher and more complete level. By the hero’s action, the polarities that were in conflict at the beginning are finally resolved.
12. RETURN WITH THE ELIXIR. The hero returns home or continues the journey, bearing some element of the treasure that has the power to transform the world as the hero has been transformed.
This episode is was obviously the death, and I am sure that because of that she will somehow have the power to help resolve the ultimate conflict of the narrative. Bringing back Gallifrey or something along those lines would be my guess. But she's always been connected to Gallifrey. And Daleks. Could she be an egg? Time will tell. For now...
(x)
And the next lines are:
Rest now, hardship is over.
Live. Wake up. Wake up.
And let the cloak, of life – cling to your bones. Cling to your bones.
Death means transformation, and re-birth.
Of his bones are coral made.
Those are pearls that were his eyes.
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Clara’s role, from first till last, has been as the one who saves the Doctor, usually by reminding him who he is.
(Something of course started by River in A Good Man Goes To War, the pivotal turning point in Moffat Who. Back then River gave him the choice between Warrior and Doctor, and Clara carries that same torch.)
In her first appearance, as Oswin, she severed the link between the Doctor’s warrior status and the Daleks, helping to turn his name from something to be feared, to a question once more.
In her second appearance, she once more gave him something to live for, made him be the Doctor rather than a man who walked away.
Then, as ‘herself’ in The Name of the Doctor she saved him physically, creating endless echoes, but more importantly she gave him back himself in The Day of the Doctor. (Where we had River in the role of Fairy Godmother, watching over her protége and helping her.) And the way she saved him - and Gallifrey - was by reminding him of who he was:
DOCTOR: Then what do I do?
CLARA: What you've always done. Be a doctor. You told me the name you chose was a promise. What was the promise?
TENTH DOCTOR: Never cruel or cowardly.
WAR DOCTOR: Never give up, never give in.
We see the same here.
Clara is about to die, but she spends her last moments reminding and instructing him:
CLARA: You. Now, you listen to me. You're going to be alone now, and you're very bad at that. You're going to be furious and you're going to be sad, but listen to me. Don't let this change you. No, listen. Whatever happens next, wherever she is sending you, I know what you're capable of. You don't be a Warrior. Promise me. Be a Doctor.
Because being the Doctor is a choice:
DOCTOR: There's no such thing as the Doctor. I'm just a bloke in a box, telling stories. And because sometimes, on a good day, if I try very hard, I'm not some old Time Lord who ran away. I'm the Doctor.
The way Clara does this is also consistent…
DOCTOR: Because I've been where you have. There was another box. I was going to press another button. I was going to wipe out all of my own kind, man, woman and child. I was so sure I was right.
BONNIE: What happened?
DOCTOR: The same thing that happened to you. I let Clara Oswald get inside my head. Trust me. She doesn't leave.
I talked, after the Zygon episodes, about Clara as an idea. About the Osgoods as a concept, the two of them embodying The Peace.
As I suspected, Clara does something very similar here (and I expect this to be enhanced) – she makes herself the one who holds the Doctor to the mark. Her memory, the idea of her, something to remind him who he is supposed to be. She has, indeed, become The Peace - the Doctor’s own, private, Peace:
CLARA: Heal yourself. You have to. You can't let this turn you into a monster. So, I'm not asking you for a promise, I'm giving you an order. You will not insult my memory. There will be no revenge. I will die, and no one else, here or anywhere, will suffer.
All season the narrative has toyed with what would happen if the Doctor lost Clara.
- When he lost Donna he decided to travel alone.
- And when he lost his Ponds he retired entirely.
What now? He may want to burn everything, but she has not left him that option. Only time will tell.
And finally...
Goodbye Impossible Girl. ♥
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So, basically, Schroedinger's Bird instead of Schroedinger's Cat? XD
Where has Clara's soul gone, though? Souls in Moffat's Who do not just vanish into thin air. They are saved as ghostly voices... they live forever in a world of books... they can be uploaded into a Nethersphere, downloaded into bodies and even remembered into existence. So what's happened to hers?
We still have one more echo to meet, I think.
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OMG. Yes, that's it! Clara is Schrodinger's bird!!!
Where has Clara's soul gone, though? Souls in Moffat's Who do not just vanish into thin air. They are saved as ghostly voices... they live forever in a world of books... they can be uploaded into a Nethersphere, downloaded into bodies and even remembered into existence. So what's happened to hers?
Well, that's part of what the last two episodes will deal with, presumably. And her soul could be in heaven (or wherever) - like River's - and even so there could be some other part of her saved.
We still have one more echo to meet, I think.
That seems to be the general Tumblr consensus. (I try to stay away from spoilers, but that bit of speculation has gotten through.)
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I do hope so! As a hero, she has to come back from death somehow or at least survive beyond it. River and Amy survived through books. Danny briefly came back through light (bracelet). How will Clara do it?
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But I refuse to believe that there won't be more to it. She's dead, that means she exists as an idea only...
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*HUGS*
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Thou hast cleft my hearts in twain
(Anonymous) 2015-11-28 02:34 am (UTC)(link)(12 grabs him by the lapels) “You pull a Hogfather right now, you son of a bitch, DO YOU HEAR ME?!”
I say, these are some *mad* graffiti skills, Rigsy, btw.
And her soul could be in heaven (or wherever) - like River's
She’d *better* goddamn be, she’s got people waiting. There’s that at least (lies down, tries not to cry, cries a lot).
Actually, given ALL THE SYMBOLISM, I can’t see it going anywhere else, and we can say that with evidence :) And we totally ought to demand a canonisation too, within the fandom at least. Who’s with me?
OMG. Yes, that's it! Clara is Schrodinger's bird!!!
You know, at times I go: “This...is a family TV show… are we taking this too far, too seriously? Are we overanalysing, are we reading into it things that aren’t there? Can there really be such heavy meta, so much symbolism? Perhaps the cigar is just a cigar after all?...”
And then Lord Steven of Moffat goes and does shit like this, and I’m like: No, no, nope, he knows everything, this is planned, this is so planned, this is premeditated! Moffat…you magnificent bastard, I read your BOOK!
She has, indeed, become The Peace - the Doctor’s own, private, Peace
“Blessed are the peacemakers …” :)
In Twelve We Trust
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If he could, he would...
I say, these are some *mad* graffiti skills, Rigsy, btw.
*nods a lot* She has a worthy mourner.
She’d *better* goddamn be, she’s got people waiting. There’s that at least (lies down, tries not to cry, cries a lot).
She'll be with her mother and Danny... ♥
Actually, given ALL THE SYMBOLISM, I can’t see it going anywhere else, and we can say that with evidence :) And we totally ought to demand a canonisation too, within the fandom at least. Who’s with me?
We are absolutely free to believe in heaven! And where else would she go?
You know, at times I go: “This...is a family TV show… are we taking this too far, too seriously? Are we overanalysing, are we reading into it things that aren’t there? Can there really be such heavy meta, so much symbolism? Perhaps the cigar is just a cigar after all?...” And then Lord Steven of Moffat goes and does shit like this, and I’m like: No, no, nope, he knows everything, this is planned, this is so planned, this is premeditated! Moffat…you magnificent bastard, I read your BOOK!
Did you ever watch Jekyll? Because that also confirms ALL THE THINGS. I just sat there, jaw dropping.
“Blessed are the peacemakers …” :)
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Well isn't that interesting.
In Twelve We Trust
In MOFFAT we trust. Twelve is currently an emotional wreck who shouldn't be left to do anything on his own. ;)
Re: Thou hast cleft my hearts in twain
(Anonymous) 2015-11-28 11:27 am (UTC)(link)*nods a lot* She has a worthy mourner.
You do know about the missing scene (and what it implies), right? Like, give poor, poor 12 ALL THE HUGS.
twitter.com/snazdoll/status/668542970996645888
Also, stop being surprised with your ratings and getting top-whatevers in LiveJournal, this was beautiful.
She'll be with her mother and Danny... ♥
THIS (cries a little less) <3
In Twelve We Trust
In MOFFAT we trust. Twelve is currently an emotional wreck who shouldn't be left to do anything on his own. ;)
And Moffat of course knows this, and is like “Yeah, well, screw you, he *is* on his own, mwa ha ha”.
Okay, I could remedy that and say: In Moffat We Trust (To Deliver A Very Emotional And Narratively Satisfying Endgame That Will Connect All The Things, And We Also Trust In Twelve In The Long Run, To Be The Person The Narrative –And Clara- Demand Him To Be, But If He Loses It A Bit –Or Even A Lot- In The Next Episode, We Are Not Judging, Understandably Emotional Trainwreck That He Is Right Now, But In The End, Impossibly, He *Will* Be The Doctor, Bless Him, Because Compassion Is Right)
but try to fit THAT on a coin and/or business card ;)
Re: Thou hast cleft my hearts in twain
(Anonymous) 2015-11-28 11:28 am (UTC)(link)*nods a lot* She has a worthy mourner.
You do know about the missing scene (and what it implies), right? Like, give poor, poor 12 ALL THE HUGS.
twittercom/snazdoll/status/668542970996645888
Also, stop being surprised with your ratings and getting top-whatevers in LiveJournal, this was beautiful.
She'll be with her mother and Danny... ♥
THIS (cries a little less) <3
In Twelve We Trust
In MOFFAT we trust. Twelve is currently an emotional wreck who shouldn't be left to do anything on his own. ;)
And Moffat of course knows this, and is like “Yeah, well, screw you, he *is* on his own, mwa ha ha”.
Okay, I could remedy that and say: In Moffat We Trust (To Deliver A Very Emotional And Narratively Satisfying Endgame That Will Connect All The Things, And We Also Trust In Twelve In The Long Run, To Be The Person The Narrative –And Clara- Demand Him To Be, But If He Loses It A Bit –Or Even A Lot- In The Next Episode, We Are Not Judging, Understandably Emotional Trainwreck That He Is Right Now, But In The End, Impossibly, He *Will* Be The Doctor, Bless Him, Because Compassion Is Right)
but try to fit THAT on a coin and/or business card ;)
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Oh yes! Like I said, I had to leave out SO MUCH. But there might be fic... :)
Also, stop being surprised with your ratings and getting top-whatevers in LiveJournal, this was beautiful.
I'm not surprised that people read - it's when I post three lines and I get Top 25 within an hour, before having even a single comment... Like, are thousands of people following my review tag, and all rush to read what I have written? Within the hour? I'm happy, but times like that it just feels odd.
THIS (cries a little less) <3
I think her mother would approve of Danny very much. <3
And Moffat of course knows this, and is like “Yeah, well, screw you, he *is* on his own, mwa ha ha”.
Well, he's a writer...
In Moffat We Trust (To Deliver A Very Emotional And Narratively Satisfying Endgame That Will Connect All The Things, And We Also Trust In Twelve In The Long Run, To Be The Person The Narrative –And Clara- Demand Him To Be, But If He Loses It A Bit –Or Even A Lot- In The Next Episode, We Are Not Judging, Understandably Emotional Trainwreck That He Is Right Now, But In The End, Impossibly, He *Will* Be The Doctor, Bless Him, Because Compassion Is Right)
Oh, very beautifully and concisely put. :)
(The key words for this icon are 'Moffat for Dummies')
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(Anonymous) 2015-11-28 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)(eyes light up, Fascinating Eyebrow)
THIS (cries a little less) <3
I think her mother would approve of Danny very much. <3
There is a metaphor, a saying I really like: “Death is a separation and that is why we mourn. But in that way, you should imagine death as one of those big, old ships you see in films. We, the living, are all gathered at the harbor and we are very sad, we don’t want our loved ones to leave, how can they go, we won’t see them again, we’ll miss them so much! So we are all like ‘Please don’t leave, oh it’s leaving, why is it leaving, oh it’s going away!’ and we cry. But at the same time, we should remember that while for us the ship is leaving, there is another harbor and there the people will smile and say ‘Oh, here it comes! I wonder what it was like for her, for him whom I love before they took the ship, and how was the journey? Are there other people, their friends perhaps, we might meet and get to know? Come and look, there, it’s coming!’”
Like, are thousands of people following my review tag, and all rush to read what I have written? Within the hour?
YES. YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.
You could test it. Post something like “Porcupines Are God!” or “I declare this ‘Pour Tea Down Your Nose And Jump Up And Down On The Bed Singing The Entire Soundtrack Of The Beauty and The Beast Day!’” under your tag, see what happens.
The key words for this icon are 'Moffat for Dummies'
Yes they are, and I would totally buy that book.
You should round up all your essays and publish them under the title “Master of Meta: Moffat for Advanced Learners” respectively ;)
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I have a beginning. (It won't be long - no, honestly - but I do need an end of some kind.)
There is a metaphor, a saying I really like: “Death is a separation and that is why we mourn. But in that way, you should imagine death as one of those big, old ships you see in films.
I like that. Thank you for sharing. ♥
YES. YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.
(If you have never come across The Might Boosh... I should probably apologise. *g*)
Also it's all probably all because of my TWoRS meta. ♥
You could test it. Post something like “Porcupines Are God!” or “I declare this ‘Pour Tea Down Your Nose And Jump Up And Down On The Bed Singing The Entire Soundtrack Of The Beauty and The Beast Day!’” under your tag, see what happens.
Hmmmm. I shall consider it.
You should round up all your essays and publish them under the title “Master of Meta: Moffat for Advanced Learners” respectively ;)
Well... Never say never. Once he steps down, I could do a retrospective. *ponder ponder*
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It feels as though there is a bookending between Eight’s
DOCTOR: I don't suppose there's a need for a doctor any more. Make me a warrior now.
... Charley, C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly, friends, companions I've known, I salute you. And Cass, I apologise.
Physician, heal thyself.
and Twelve’s
DOCTOR: What’s the point in being a Doctor if I can’t cure you?
CLARA: Heal yourself. You have to. You can’t let this turn you into a monster.
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Thank you.
It feels as though there is a bookending between Eight’s and Twelve’s
*nods* And it all turns on the Time War and Gallifrey...
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River had a tree above her bed in the hospital at the end of LKH.
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Baby girls = important.
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(Sorry to be AWOL yesterday. Four hours of driving + ungodly amounts of family = dead Promethia)
The same thing that happened to you. I let Clara Oswald get inside my head. Trust me. She doesn't leave.
Small connection I hadn't quite thought of before: this has been a theme this season. From the 'earworm' that makes ghosts into transmitters in Under the Lake to the Morpheus machine brain hack in Gatiss. An idea, a pattern, like an infection that burrows into your brain and has tangible, real-world effects.
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Thank you! <3
(Sorry to be AWOL yesterday. Four hours of driving + ungodly amounts of family = dead Promethia)
No worries! I knew it was Thanksgiving, so figured you were probably busy. But thought I'd give you a heads up just in case you were around. Although it was all just fine polishing.
From the 'earworm' that makes ghosts into transmitters in Under the Lake to the Morpheus machine brain hack in Gatiss. An idea, a pattern, like an infection that burrows into your brain and has tangible, real-world effects.
... And it's happened to us too! All of fandom goes 'HYBRID!!!' at any and everything now.
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I haven't really got over the fact that Shrodinger's Companion was killed by a *Quantum* Shade. It's just. It's so VALIDATING. You are amazing.
(....it's also so terrible, oh Clara my Clara, I haven't got over your death at all /o\)
The thing about Clara being an idea, almost like a meme, something that stays in the Doctor's head to remind him, is also so very apt. Her splinter selves were kind of like physical manifestations of this - cropping up everywhere, always, to remind and help and guide the Doctor, even when he didn't really notice. You can't kill an idea.
We haven't seen the last of her. SOMETHING is going to happen in the final episode, and it may not undo her death but it will make something of it. She will end up in the Matrix or the Library - or even in the TARDIS - as part of something bigger, as an idea and a dream and an inspiration.
I have no coherent thoughts, really, but I am very afraid for tonight and next wee. /o\ And this was all beautiful, as always.
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I haven't really got over the fact that Shrodinger's Companion was killed by a *Quantum* Shade. It's just. It's so VALIDATING. You are amazing.
IKR? I shouldn't be pleased, but I almost am?
(....it's also so terrible, oh Clara my Clara, I haven't got over your death at all /o\)
I'm... surprisingly fine. It was beautiful, and fitting, and the Doctor's pain hurts me far more than Clara's death in itself.
The thing about Clara being an idea, almost like a meme, something that stays in the Doctor's head to remind him, is also so very apt. Her splinter selves were kind of like physical manifestations of this - cropping up everywhere, always, to remind and help and guide the Doctor, even when he didn't really notice.
Oooh, yes I like that.
You can't kill an idea.
Indeed. And the idea of Clara has been around for a very long time now...
We haven't seen the last of her. SOMETHING is going to happen in the final episode, and it may not undo her death but it will make something of it. She will end up in the Matrix or the Library - or even in the TARDIS - as part of something bigger, as an idea and a dream and an inspiration.
She could still be a Gallifreyan egg... And something TARDIS-y would be perfect. (Have you read and explode into space? Deeply, deeply disturbing - so obviously not not what would/will happen - but it's the thing I've had in my head ever since we knew that Clara could be leaving.)
I have no coherent thoughts, really, but I am very afraid for tonight and next week. /o\
I am so calm! It's great. I'm used to being a bundle of nerves, but this season has been... I dunno. Just a bit odd. Not bad, just a little distant.
And this was all beautiful, as always.
♥
slightly belated comment time
I ANTICIPATE IT
Her memory, the idea of her, something to remind him who he is supposed to be.
On that note, HOW MUCH DID YOU LOVE HEAVEN SENT??!!!! (Rhetorical question. I know you feel me.)
As usual I am awash with the feels... but they all hinge on the finale. Stay tuned for the progression of my mental state.
Re: slightly belated comment time
:) (I wish I knew what's in store. But I just can't see...)
On that note, HOW MUCH DID YOU LOVE HEAVEN SENT??!!!! (Rhetorical question. I know you feel me.)
I've forgotten how to do words, basically.
As usual I am awash with the feels... but they all hinge on the finale.
See, I really hope the finale delivers. But even if it doesn't, Heaven Sent is just the most beautiful masterpiece, all on its own.
Stay tuned for the progression of my mental state.
*pokes you gently*
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I was glad that the last moment Clara has with Twelve is reminding him what is important and showing us one of the reasons why she meant so much to the Doctor. Which was her nurturing side.
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DOCTOR: You don't seem like a nanny.
CLARA: I was going to travel. I came to stay for a week before I left, and during that week
DOCTOR: She died, so you're returning the favour. You've got a hundred and one places to see, and you haven't been to any of them, have you? That's why you keep the book.
CLARA: I keep the book because I'm still going.
DOCTOR: But you don't run out on the people you care about. Wish I was more like that.
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Too bad Rose and Clara never met. They both know the feeling of losing a parent when they were little.
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Too bad Rose and Clara never met. They both know the feeling of losing a parent when they were little.
Well, I don't think Rose remembered her father at all, she was only a baby. The loss probably impacted Clara a lot more.
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At least Clara had some fond memories of her mother. She didn't have to deal with a nagging mother like Donna did.
Rose can only go by the stories her mum told her. She did have that brief chance to see what dad was like and comfort him before he died. I just didn't like her daddy issues at the end of "The Idiots Lantern".
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And I don't think anybody liked the daddy issues in The Idiots Lantern. Or most of the episode.
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Dunno what father-issues he has (RTD gets/got on very well with his parents), but there's obviously something.
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The Doctor: It's never too late, as a wise person once said; Kylie, I think.
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The way the daughter reacted at the end seemed understandable to me. But some might view it for laughs going by the shocked/awkward faces of Clara and Eleven. However, there was no other way to respond to that scene, besides looking sad.
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Sorry to hear that. Hope things are better than they were.
However, there was no other way to respond to that scene, besides looking sad.
*nods* She was a horrible mother.
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The level of domestic abuse in "The idiots Lantern" pales in comparison to what happened in "The Crimson Horror". I wonder how Rose would have reacted to that.
I didn't mean to get this serious but I think its important to talk about these topics as openly as possible. I usually try not to make things personal. Domestic violence is an issue that the Australian government has tried to address by generating funds to support the victims. But the only way to stop the problem is to make the abusers accountable for their actions.
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::nods:: And it's one reason why stories are important. They help shape the narrative of the world around them. Like... I remember a story about a little black girl watching Star Trek when it first came out, and how she ran to find her parents to tell them she'd seen a black woman on TV and she wasn't a maid!
So, it's important when dealing with issues like abuse to give the victims a voice, and agency and to allow them to deal with things their own way. (I believe Jessica Jones is an excellent example of this, so people tell me at least.)
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Unfortunately the real-life baddies of the world tend to think they are right and will never change and the only option is for them to be sent to prison or locked up.
Racism is still a problem and some people will use it as an excuse to be violent. It comes from either being uneducated or arrogant.
I've only heard of Jessica Jones but now I'm more curious to see it. I do remember seeing Krysten Ritter when she was on "Veronica Mars".
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We want to see justice. We want there to be someone looking after us.
Unfortunately the real-life baddies of the world tend to think they are right and will never change and the only option is for them to be sent to prison or locked up.
Yeah, they're rarely as 'fascinating' as those in movies.
And I have heard many good things about Jessica Jones. Quite dark though.
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brave but may risk their own safety to help others.
Most non-fiction baddies are interesting because of the complexities of what motivates them to act in that manner.
Its a combination of good writing on human behaviour and the actors portrayal of a psychologically disturbed character.
In real life its more about how could this criminal have been stopped because of the pain and tragedy it caused?.
I'll proceed with caution on Jessica Jones. I usually stop watching shows if they get too explicit with any forms of violence or trauma.
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::nods a lot::
I'll proceed with caution on Jessica Jones. I usually stop watching shows if they get too explicit with any forms of violence or trauma.
There was a Tumblr post talking about it... As far as I remember, if you're OK with episode 1, you should be fine with the rest. But it *is* disturbing and dark.