elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2006-09-30 09:50 am
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A quick hello...

Weekends are *not* good for LJ! Too much family time, too little me time (of course I am incredibly lucky to have a wonderful family etc. But...)

Anyway, I came to ask if anyone knows of a Spike & The Coat icon? (As in, Spike walking along wearing The Coat, all swirly and stuff.) One that makes you go 'Spike/Coat OTP4eva!OMG!' (No text necessary btw), I don't have one, which I'm beginning to realise is v. bad. Because I want one. (Or maybe something like this, but without the vamp face...)

And a small fannish thought for the day. I cannot count the ways in which I love ‘First Date’, and I’m not about to start counting. All I’ll mention is the Buffy and Spike’s tandem explaining to Giles about the chip. Because it is such a wonderful evocation of their tandem lying to Joyce back in ‘Becoming’

Buffy is even wearing identical hats!

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ETA: You could also just check out the brilliant icon that I'm using! (By [livejournal.com profile] the_royal_anna!)
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[identity profile] frenchani.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
LOL

Good catch. You're so right, I like the word "tandem" concerning them.

[identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Points to icon. :)

I must have Spike/Coat icons somewhere. I shall go and have a look.

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
You're right, and that's very cool!
elisi: by frimfram (Spuffy - destroyer of worlds! by frimfra)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
I almost copied out their lines... but then realised that my flist would know their scenes off by heart anyway! *g*
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Spuffy - Becoming by killmebecomeme)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
That is so cool!!!! Can I snag?

And thank you for looking - I've scoured my icon folders but found nothing. *sigh* Ideally I'd love [livejournal.com profile] awmp's 'Absolut Spike', but sadly she's not sharing that one... (perfectly understandable, but - sigh!)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Did you see [livejournal.com profile] the_royal_anna's icon? So funny! :)

[identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
Of course! I'd almost forgotten about it until you posted this today - I don't think I've ever used it until now, so it will be lovely to send it to a good home. :)

I've been looking high and low, and strangely I don't think I have a Spike/Coat icon, either. It does seem a great oversight!
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (OMG LIEK SQUEE by buffychit)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! It's so lovely. :)

It does seem a great oversight!
It does indeed... I'm going to have to look up screencaps when I have some spare time and then find an iconmaker to bribe! *g*

(It's all because I watched 'Get It Done' the other day and Spike-getting-his-coat-and-cool-back is just totally *guh*!) (I'm sooooooo shallow, I know!)

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 10:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, LOL!
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 10:51 am (UTC)(link)
And look! It's snaggable! :)

[identity profile] jamalov29.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
Because it is such a wonderful evocation of their tandem lying to Joyce back in ‘Becoming’. I love the way you think!
Our beautiful tandem,indeed. :)

I had a look through my icons. There are a few with the coat but it's not swirling ! The one i'm using is from Crackers4jenn -snaggable.

There is another one 'The hero' from [livejournal.com profile] inxsomniax if you want it .

[identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
This one is by [livejournal.com profile] unwoundfantasy.

[identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
And then, of course, there's this one by [livejournal.com profile] awmp.

[identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
'Spike/Coat OTP4eva!OMG'

Hee! It is one of my OTPs, but don't they call it duster? Or is it just in fanfic?

Is is nice to see Buffy wearing the same hat, some fans complain that Buffy wears a differnt outfit every episode and she needs money...

On the other hand, one of the Ozander fans (Xander/Oz) noticed that the shirt Xander wore in Nightmares is the same shirt Oz wears in Anne or Dead Man's Party... I don't remember. It made many Ozander fans happy.

[identity profile] samsom.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I get a thrill, every single time, when they all go rescue Xander in the basement, and Buffy goes to Spike to see how he is. Without hesitation. The connection between them just zings through the air and everyone feels it.
Sigh.
Good times.

[identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm having no luck with this at all here, and if I had more time I'd try and make a better version, but I really must go and do useful things! Anyway. It's yours if you want it. ;)

elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Oh wow! by eyesthatslay)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That is very lovely indeed.... Mmmm duster...

Will definitely keep it!
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Default)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the way you think!
I love the way Jane Espenson thinks! :)

And thanks for the icon recs, but Anna made one that's very yummy. Mmmmm, duster!

[identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Or, variation on a theme...



:)

[identity profile] fotada.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Great observation. And, she wore the exact "Becoming" hat in "Checkpoint." Here, look:

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Spring Summers wrote about its significance in her excellent review of Checkpoint, also. Check it out!
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Oh wow! by eyesthatslay)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh even better! *loves* Will upload as soon as my internet connection gets a little less unstable.

Does the text say anything?
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (gratification by buttersideup.)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that one... if only I had more icon spaces!
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Spike by kathyh)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah yes. *happy sigh* :)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not actually sure Spike ever calls it a duster - that might be fanon.

And yes, Buffy kept her hat for 5 years! And she also wore it in 'Checkpoint'. Or one like it. ;)

It made many Ozander fans happy.
Good for them! (I didn't know that Ozander fans existed until now...)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Without hesitation.
I know! *happy sigh* And Xander asks how the date is going and Buffy looks at Wood, who looks at Spike, who looks at Buffy...
Good times indeed.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! More hat-continuity! :)

And thanks for the link, it's been forever since I read Spring Summers and I'd completely forgotten the hat-bit!

[identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com 2006-09-30 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Nothing very original..."get it done" seemed to sum it up quite nicely. :)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Spike/duster Get It Done by the_royal_an)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-09-30 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course! I am stoopid! *g*

Thank you again, it is gorgeous!
yourlibrarian: Angel and Lindsey (Space between: spikeskat)

[personal profile] yourlibrarian 2006-09-30 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah like that catch, I hadn't noticed the bookending of those revelations.

[identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com 2006-10-01 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Good for them! (I didn't know that Ozander fans existed until now...)

I think there were a lot of them when the show was still in the high school years. Plus there's that vid with Nicholas Brendon and Seth Green playfully *fooling around* in MTV's Vidoes That Don't Suck.
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2006-10-01 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not actually sure Spike ever calls it a duster - that might be fanon.

Call me sad if you like... but I did a text search of the shooting scripts. Neither Spike nor any of the other characters ever use the word 'duster' - but his coat is called that in the stage directions of two Season 7 episodes:

First Date

Her mouth still on Wood's fork, she looks up to see Spike. (By the way, he's not wearing his duster.)


Lies My Parents Told Me

EXT. CENTRAL PARK - 1977 - FLASHBACK

A BIRD'S EYE VIEW, amid the downpour, of a battle being waged between two combatants whom we'll soon learn are NIKKI, the Vampire Slayer (in her BLACK DUSTER), and 70's punk (not the same outfit as train in "Fool For Love) SPIKE (in VAMPFACE).


There's also this from Never Leave Me:

Black boots walk along the street. We move up the body, we see the black outfit, black leather duster, the cocky swagger...

We get to the face and reveal ANDREW. Dressed up like the Spike of old. Trying desperately to look cool.
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-10-01 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the fun of the show though - always noticing new things! :)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Buffy Anne Summers by thesuthernangel)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-10-01 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah - I see. Still freakishly bizarre from *my* POV, but then I'd never thought about it before! :)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-10-01 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Call me sad if you like
Sad? Oh no. You're dedicated. Big difference! *g*

Neither Spike nor any of the other characters ever use the word 'duster'
Ah now that's interesting. It's a bit like 'The Scourge of Europe' which I think is also completely fanon... Now I wonder if *that* was ever used by the writers.

But thank you! :)
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2006-10-01 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a bit like 'The Scourge of Europe' which I think is also completely fanon... Now I wonder if *that* was ever used by the writers.

Nope. At least, not in any script. Apart from those demons in the Angel S1 episode, the only character ever described as a 'Scourge' is Connor...
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (Effulgent-FFL by andemaiar)

[personal profile] elisi 2006-10-02 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
the only character ever described as a 'Scourge' is Connor...
Funny, isn't it. Because until someone asked about the Scourge thing a while ago (which is why I remembered it) I was 99% sure that it was canon!

[identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com 2012-09-05 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Very good catch! I rewatched their scenes in Becoming the other day and wondered how did I not see their chemistry the first time and the way that they complete each other's sentences and have each other's backs even as mortal enemies? Oh yeah, the Angel angst was clouding my brain.

Buffy kept her hat for 5 years

Small quibble - the hat in Becoming is a utilitarian knit work/winter pull-on cap similar to this one, but a bit stiffer and heavier:

http://workingperson.com/workwear-1/headwear/winter-hats/port-and-companycaps-black-knit-cap-cp90-blk-74840.html

Whereas the hat she's wearing in FD is more of a cloche (I rewatched to make sure): it has a stiff, rounded crown, a rolled brim, and when she turns her head to the left you can see the outline of some sort of "flower" or "bow" ornament, similar to this:

http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/product/belfry-rosa.html

[identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com 2012-09-05 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Great catch I hadn't noticed that! I just rewatched their scenes in Becoming and wondered why the heck I hadn't noticed their chemistry - the way they already have each other's backs and complete each others sentences (as they do in FD - clever callback on the writer's part). Oh yes, the Angel angst much have been clouding my mind.

Small quibble: it's not the exact same hat. The one in Becoming is a utilitarian pull-on knitted (wool or acrylic) work/winter hat; the hat in FD is a more fashionable cloche, probably felt - the crown is stiff with a distinctly rounded shape, the brim is rolled and when Buffy turns her head in the scene you can just make out the outline of a bow/flower ornament and something of a band around the brim. (Yeah, fashion is one of my obsessions.)
Edited 2012-09-05 15:38 (UTC)
elisi: Edwin holding a tiny snowman (First date by the_royal_anna)

[personal profile] elisi 2012-09-05 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I shall give you an award for careful observation!

Although I think the main point still stands - they seemed to be drawing a deliberate visual parallel between the two scenes. <3

(And I've unspammed you - don't know why LJ decided to be awkward. Maybe it was the links?)

[identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com 2012-09-05 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it was the links, so I've learned to refrain from using them.

Oh and of course the point still stands! It's the visual mirroring; when I read "same hat" I couldn't resist being a putz - I mean, putting my interest in fashion history to good use. ;)
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