A picture is a thousand words

[elisi]

Here's a photo of the cold, robotic Hillary Clinton who doesn't care about ordinary people. https://t.co/3Za8qO7fGk pic.twitter.com/K2S8XMsSHG

— Geoff Wisner (@geoffwisner) 17 September 2016

And this won't let me embed Huzzah:

Little Miss Flint met both Trump and Obama this year. pic.twitter.com/eH15fElHqw

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) 15 September 2016

Comments

[yourlibrarian]

I like that picture of the two babies with Obama and Trump even better. That says it all. As I recall from his biographies basically Trump emulated his father who largely ignored him until he was old enough to go his father's office with him. Trump outsourced his parenting to his wives and only started connecting with his kids in their teens.

[owlboy]

One thing I will defend Hillary on is that she can be as ~*robotic*~ as she damn well likes. ''Look! She's smiling with a cute child! She's human after all SEE!!!'' just perpetuates the idea that women have to be warm and personable to be human, if you ask me.

[elisi]

Ah, but have you seen the gif?



<3

Although yes, it's easy to see where Trump got it from. Even so, there is definitely something wrong with him. Many guys grow up without fatherly love. They don't all turn into compulsively lying narcissists.

[elisi]

Oh definitely. She should be allowed to be who she is, and she is constantly told that she should smile more/shout less. She isn't comfortable with large crowds particularly, but then few introverts are.

However, from all accounts (from people who know her, or have met her) she is a genuinely warm and caring person, and it's deeply annoying that the media keep pushing a different agenda. She can be smart and wonky and focussed on the job AND be kind & caring at the same time. Women contain multitudes.

[owlboy]

How do you figure she's an introvert

[elisi]

I think she's an ISTJ.

Darn, must run, but will be back.

[owlboy]

I don't see it

[promethia_tenk]

Elisi always thought she was an introvert for unfathomable Ni reasons. In my head she was an ENTJ, and then an ESTJ, figuring she had too much 'just do it!' drive to be an introvert. And then one day I compared her to Martha Stewart (copied and pasted from an email):

I was re-thinking my typing of Clinton the other day, btw, by comparing her to Martha Stewart. I think Clinton is an ISTJ after all. Martha, who is definitely an ESTJ, for all her icy, perfect, corporate queen of dominance thing, she knows how to work with Ne (did you hear that she and Snoop Dog are going to have a cooking show together? The Atlantic had to write an article about why she's awesome. Also, if you're ever having a bad day, search for Martha Stewart and Conan O'Brien. Actually, no, the world is a scary place right now, just watch this immediately. Trust.) But you never really see Martha Stewart touch anything Fi-related.

Clinton, conversely, had always been reserved, but has really been able to turn on the Fi-appeals this election cycle. She's got that classic, awkward, inferior-Ne reaction to whimsey, though. And, like many an ISJ, she makes a great subject of a Ne joke--you know that all the best memes around her were created by other people, and that she's kind of the bemused onlooker. So, yeah, ISTJ.

The upshot of all of this, of course, is that the Clinton campaign should hire Martha Stewart as a personal image consultant for Hillary.

[elisi]

I know Proton has already answered, but since I'm on my lunch...

Hillary's superpowers are that she keeps going and she knows everything. Everyone knows how wonky she is, how she knows every bit of policy to do with anything you can name. Ditto always remembers people's birthdays etc. Plus, 11 hour Benghazi hearing, where she never flagged - it all adds up to Si dominant (IMHO).

She also is most comfortable just getting on with things. Here is a problem, here's how to fix it, let's do it. If someone points out a better way, she is happy to listen & adapt. Te.

Her beliefs and motivations are private, but strong. She doesn't do well with big crowds, but can much more easily connect in small groups/with individuals. Puts her head down and carries on, because she believes she is right. (See her fight for health care.)

Finally, her Achilles heel is her control freakery. Not helped by the fact that she has been hounded by the media for 40 years, she is extremely reluctant to trust others or to relinquish control.

In short, she is the archetypal public servant. Dedicated, hardworking, would like to be left alone to just get on with it, might as well have 'duty' stamped on her forehead. Approval numbers are always going up when she is *doing* a job, and going down when campaigning. My father is an ISTJ (and works in IT), and terribly competent. But really not great with public speaking - not because he's nervous, but because it doesn't come naturally.

Like Proton said, it always seemed almost painfully obvious to me. Plus, ISTJs are not naturally 'warm' in the way that, f.ex, Obama is. Not that they aren't great (my father has a brilliant sense of humour), but they are reserved.

[elisi]

Beat me to it. But I added my own take further up, as I spent all morning turning it over in my head. :)

[owlboy]

>>Everyone knows how wonky she is, how she knows every bit of policy to do with anything you can name.

Well... she's a lawyer. That's what they do, lol.

I hate crowds and public speaking and I ain't no introvert.

[owlboy]

Counterpoint: her fuck-clump of a husband is an ESFP and I'm pretty sure the only thing that can keep those on a leash are ENTJs.

[elisi]

I fail to see how either of these points discredit my typing...

[elisi]

I would contend with the idea that she managed to keep him on a leash...

[owlboy]

1. Cultivated skills don't define your type.

2. Being uncomfortable / awkward in social situations doesn't make you an introvert.

[elisi]

1. True, but how do you know that it's cultivated? It seems to me to be innate.

2. True. But it's not proof she's an extrovert either.

[promethia_tenk]

I generally see Bill typed as an ENFP. I hadn't thought about it deeply, but how do you figure S?

ETA: forgot to lol @ 'fuck-clump.'

[promethia_tenk]

Cultivated skills don't define your type.
Yes, but transferrable skills do. Yes, other types can cultivate this acute detail-orientedness to accomplish certain things, but when it's your first, instinctive way to attack pretty much everything, that's a dominant function.

[owlboy]

It suggests a decent level of Sensing, but I'm still not seeing how it makes her an introverted Si dom.

I don't care enough about Hillary Clinton to keep arguing about it anyway.

[owlboy]

- Extremely punchable face
- Overall slippery car salesman vibe
- Third Way politics is basically what happens when you give a soppy liberal a conservative S-ish work ethic
- They based Peter Florrick on him for a reason

[elisi]

(speak softly & use Promethia_tenk)

[elisi]

I generally see Bill typed as an ENFP.
Does he have a thing for hats?

[owlboy]

Ok?

[elisi]

x

;)

[owlboy]

I'm well aware of what the phrase is, I don't get why you think it's relevant apart from being deliberately aggravating.