I think that outfit changed my reaction to the episode. I was pro-Ianto and against-Jack for the whole time, as I didn't see a Cyberman in Lisa, just a woman trapped in that horrible outfit, for some men's pleasure (even if it was only that one man and the Torchwood team wasn't objectifying her). I initially thought it was because of Doctor Who message, and the Doctor's "always try to save someone" attitude, but now I believe I'd be conflicted about her - as I'm sure we as the audience were supposed to be - if she was a proper half-Cyberman.
Good point with the shoes, by the way. Some would argue that the costume was an imagination about how the inside of the cyber shell might have look line but the shoes are without doubts a proof that it was all about making her sexy.
I couldn't believe they've all actually said what you've kindly written down so I watched it myself. On the guys defense, Chris said Davies presented him the story, and at the end he added, "oh, and there's a Cybergirl in the basement", so I believe the emotional touch was always their top interest. It doesn't make the whole thing right, of course. It's been completely unlogical in regard to Cybermen and it feasted on men's fear of women comfortable about their sexuality (so they make them dangerous), and that trope should become a history.
They all wanted her to be sexy, and not one of them seems to have spoken up against it. It's just quietly depressing, much like when you read about studies showing just how much women are discriminated against, still, in every way. Exactly. Just imagine a man in a cyberoutfit that hardly covers his man parts and let him walk like that for the entire episode.I'm sure no one would think that would be a good idea.
I've never watched The Miracle Day. The first two series were good enough to get me to the third one, which was my goal, and I don't want to ruin my good memories (a broken heart is another story) after Children On Earth by watching the last season. I heard some people saying it wasn't that bad, but I've heard people saying they disliked Children On Earth so I suppose there's the whole range of opinions about everything :)
Amy's skirts might have been Karen's idea (although I still think someone should have said to her it's ridicolous; it made me have trouble to suspend my disbelief - in the world where you need to run so often and your life often depends on whether you were fast enough, you learn that any trousers are better than mini skirts) but it's been Moffat who wrote her as "Legs" and kept reminding us of her long after she was gone (Twelve's "Sometimes I miss Amy" in 8x01, Clara's "she's all legs!"). However, let me add that I don't blame him for all sexist elements on the show (I'm sure he hasn't written that long shot on Amy's body in "Eleventh Hour") and I agree with you that it's mostly because the society we live in that allows things like that. We're far away from men and women being treated as equal.
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Good point with the shoes, by the way. Some would argue that the costume was an imagination about how the inside of the cyber shell might have look line but the shoes are without doubts a proof that it was all about making her sexy.
I couldn't believe they've all actually said what you've kindly written down so I watched it myself. On the guys defense, Chris said Davies presented him the story, and at the end he added, "oh, and there's a Cybergirl in the basement", so I believe the emotional touch was always their top interest. It doesn't make the whole thing right, of course. It's been completely unlogical in regard to Cybermen and it feasted on men's fear of women comfortable about their sexuality (so they make them dangerous), and that trope should become a history.
They all wanted her to be sexy, and not one of them seems to have spoken up against it. It's just quietly depressing, much like when you read about studies showing just how much women are discriminated against, still, in every way.
Exactly. Just imagine a man in a cyberoutfit that hardly covers his man parts and let him walk like that for the entire episode.I'm sure no one would think that would be a good idea.
I've never watched The Miracle Day. The first two series were good enough to get me to the third one, which was my goal, and I don't want to ruin my good memories (a broken heart is another story) after Children On Earth by watching the last season. I heard some people saying it wasn't that bad, but I've heard people saying they disliked Children On Earth so I suppose there's the whole range of opinions about everything :)
Amy's skirts might have been Karen's idea (although I still think someone should have said to her it's ridicolous; it made me have trouble to suspend my disbelief - in the world where you need to run so often and your life often depends on whether you were fast enough, you learn that any trousers are better than mini skirts) but it's been Moffat who wrote her as "Legs" and kept reminding us of her long after she was gone (Twelve's "Sometimes I miss Amy" in 8x01, Clara's "she's all legs!"). However, let me add that I don't blame him for all sexist elements on the show (I'm sure he hasn't written that long shot on Amy's body in "Eleventh Hour") and I agree with you that it's mostly because the society we live in that allows things like that. We're far away from men and women being treated as equal.