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funkymbti annoys the hell out of me tbh

Never really cared enough about Vader to type him but I wouldn't rule out him being a Feeler just because he's brutal.

funkymbti annoys the hell out of me tbh
I never look at it...

Never really cared enough about Vader to type him but I wouldn't rule out him being a Feeler just because he's brutal.
Well, I'd never thought of him either. And how does Anakin even FIT?

Their reasoning annoys me because it's always just so... shallow... ''oh he must have Ne because he can see possibilities'' everyone can see ''possibilities'', that's not the only element of Ne you have to consider.

Don't know about Anakin because I've never seen the prequels, but from what I have seen him of he seems like a prissy bitch?

This is a fairly accurate depiction of Anakin.

Bit like Kylo Ren, except about a million times less interesting, would mope about and complain to Padme about how things 'ought to be different'. Before going EVIL and killing the bb!Jedis.

Yeah... Kylo Ren is no STJ... I can't imagine an STJ being that much of a baby. Psychologically they're probably the toughest people.

Apparently ppl type him as an IxFP.

(Your post is what made me remember this whole thing.)

In my observation, IxFPs tend to suffer huge amounts of doubt as to what they should do, but very little doubt about what they believe. Not that they can't change their minds, but at any given moment, they do tend to know their own mind, instinctively. As such they tend to be very drifty and you can think they're spineless until you violate something they believe in, and then you die.

Kylo Ren seems to have the opposite problem: he knows exactly what he should do. It's himself he's not sure about. He attempts to clarify himself to himself by imposing an order he's deemed appropriate on the outside world (killing Han).

I have an INFP friend who tells me that they're so bad at making decisions they have to ''plan ahead to make decisions'' so they don't have to deal with the stress of it in the moment. I can't imagine someone like that lasting very long in a military-type organization, lmao

One of my INFP college friends once painted an amusing picture of how she imagined herself in boot camp: "they'd be like 'drop and give me twenty!' and I'd be like 'Whut . . . ? Why? And what's with the yelling?'"

I'd never last in boot camp because I have an overwhelming, instinctive need to piss off authority figures

I'm not sure how I would do with boot camp. I think it would be an interesting experiment. Except for how I am deeply unfit and would die, so that might pose a problem.

I tend to be pretty good with authority and structure until I decide that idiots are in charge. And then lord help us all.

But generally the question of 'how does one get good at _________?' is a matter of deep personal interest to me, to which I can usually apply myself for a reasonable amount of time, even when the thing is not something that I have much personal affinity for.

I was in the youth cadets for a while... I still have some of the gear even. Obviously it didn't work out...

I can handle it until I feel I am being imposed on / people have not earned their authority, and then I can't stop myself being a recalcitrant little bitch

Edited 2016-01-08 02:08 (UTC)

Oh god . . .

Yes.

The worst is when you .know. you're shooting yourself in the foot but you can't help it because fuck you, I'm an autonomous being!

Yeah... Kylo Ren is no STJ...
For serious. After only one viewing, my instinct says INFJ, or some kind of NJ at least, SFJ as an outside guess.

I remember the ranting ESTP saying something like ''in a nutshell: INFJs need to be spanked.'' which pretty much summarizes Kylo Ren doesn't it

*snort*

I miss him so much.

I should start making videos and rise as the new typology overlord

Their reasoning annoys me because it's always just so... shallow... ''oh he must have Ne because he can see possibilities'' everyone can see ''possibilities'', that's not the only element of Ne you have to consider.
I can see this. I tend to disagree with her the most when my gestalt feeling of a type conflicts with the typing she's built from her building blocks. But I appreciate that she approaches things much more methodically than pretty much anybody else. And she's far better at looking 'under the hood' than most people and not simply typing by stereotype. I find if she's picked up on something, it's something that I at least need to account for somehow in my own understanding of the character. Whereas most character typings you stumble over it's just like . . . hahahahahahaah no.

She's done a number of typings that I've initially recoiled from before having to admit she was right (Scully . . . ).

Also her insights into Si are just excellent. The best I've read.

True, she is better than the 90% of people on PerC who say things like ''well that person is a sociopath, must be an INTJ.''

Hmmmm. I've never actually tried to type Vader, so I'm not sure how to weigh in without trying to watch the movies again, which I don't have time for atm. Most of the points people are making seem valid. I think he for sure has Te in his stack somewhere. Unfortunately I don't remember Anakin well at all.

In general I'm not a fan of typing explanations that hinge on someone changing type. I guess with a fictional character that may be genuinely what's happened from time to time, but I think it's a whole lot more satisfying if you can deliver an explanation that can cover both before and after whatever change happened.

I'll throw into the pot that ESFPs can be scarier than Te-doms when they're letting their Te run free. Te-doms tend to know what they're doing. Tert-Te users just bulldoze.

Also have seen Rey typed as an ISFP
She definitely feels like an ISxP, and I can see it going both ways, but I think I'm leaning ISTP. She does make a number of decisions that seem F-driven, but I think I can see them as lower-order Fe's tendency to bump into people and just get swept along for the ride? (Heck, this is Han's entire story in the original trilogy.) She's staying on her home planet out of a deluded hope that her family will come back for her until suddenly these other people show up who are here, now, and need her, and she starts tagging along and suddenly, oops, she belongs somewhere else.

Also, I love them dearly, but have you ever seen an IxFP trying to use their Te? It takes them forty minutes to talk themselves through buying a pair of shoes. (It's adorable.) Inferior Te is never going to run circles around an ESTP's Ti the way Rey runs circles around Han trying to fix the Falcon. Trouble-shooting, finding leverage points, picking up new skills with freakish speed and no instruction?: these are the domain of Ti.

Poe as an ESTP, both of which sound plausible.
We don't get a lot of him, but he's totally got the vibe.

Finn... Dunno. Haven't got my typology head on at the moment.
ExFx for sure. More likely S. More likely P.

I figured Rey was an STP and Finn was an SFP as well.

>> I'll throw into the pot that ESFPs can be scarier than Te-doms when they're letting their Te run free. Te-doms tend to know what they're doing. Tert-Te users just bulldoze.

This is also why I can never decide if my ma was an ESTJ or an ESFP. She kind of acted like an overgrown child a lot of the time but if you got in her way she would just bulldoze right over you. She could be really brutal.

I also feel like Fi+Te [in that order] can be incredibly vindictive if you do something to piss them off. Vader doesn't display a mature use of Te when he's pissed off, he just chokes people out.

>>Trouble-shooting, finding leverage points, picking up new skills with freakish speed and no instruction?: these are the domain of Ti.

I actually find it far easier to learn this way, which is what made me wonder if I was an STP for a while. Sit down and read about music theory when I actually have all the time in the world to do so? No. Learn music theory completely on the fly while creating an album because a friend needs your help and it's due out in a month? Yes.

Edited 2016-01-07 03:48 (UTC)

This is also why I can never decide if my ma was an ESTJ or an ESFP. She kind of acted like an overgrown child a lot of the time but if you got in her way she would just bulldoze right over you. She could be really brutal.
This sounds like an ESFP we have at work. I'll say this for her: Se + Te overload = just a ridiculously hard worker. I have no idea how she keeps going. Nobody is able to bust through tasks like her. But she is the most trying, annoying, whine-y, bulldozer-y person imaginable and you want to be like 'would you freaking calm down for two seconds and think about the effect you're having on people?'

I actually find it far easier to learn this way, which is what made me wonder if I was an STP for a while. Sit down and read about music theory when I actually have all the time in the world to do so? No. Learn music theory completely on the fly while creating an album because a friend needs your help and it's due out in a month? Yes.
I'll take the study if I can get it because always better to be prepared, but frankly, I'll learn anything any way I can. And there are some things that are just better approached this way.

Lol, actually, yesterday another manager had a minor problem with the sound system in the store. I helped her out with it and she was like 'omg, how do you know this stuff?' And it was just like 'ummmmm . . . IDK, how do you know how to breathe? There was a problem once, so I figured out how to fix it, so now I know how it works. I got my hands dirty and I learned it, how does anybody know anything?'

That is basically a description of my mother, lmao. A ridiculously hard working survivor, and simultaneously, a big whiny child with no concept of people outside of herself. She even semi-acknowledged I was the adult one and called me ''Saffy'' all the time.

As I'm getting older I'm resigning myself to learning some things ''properly'' and pushing through the boredom, but I always had a really hard time at school because I'm such an experiential learner. Everyone thought I was just lazy because I couldn't do stuff normal 3rd graders should be able to do, but then I would occassionally just throw out reams of information about some random subject.

Have you listened to the Personality Hacker ESFP podcast? I found it very enlightening.

She even semi-acknowledged I was the adult one and called me ''Saffy'' all the time.
That is both sick and hysterical.

No, I might do that today....

>> That is both sick and hysterical.

Right?! lmao. Eddie Monsoon is basically my mother.

No, I might do that today....
I don't like their non-type based ones as much, but I've been devouring the 16 types ones.

I'm a bit leery of them because they remind me a bit of the self-growth type podcasts I used to be super into that were a little bit culty. Nothing to do with them, it's just my own psych podcast PTSD.

I get a bit twitchy when things get to: here are concrete steps you should take to maximize your self-improvement because fuck that shit. But the ratio of genuinely great insight to self-help advice in the individual type ones is high, so I look past it . . .

Finn was an SFP as well.
I'm liking this argument for ENFP. After only one watch, he sure looked like an ESFP, but I just felt hesitant to commit to it, not wanting to dismiss the obvious choice out of hand for reasons that amount to 'I like him too much.'

I mean, I don't think my anti-ESFP radar has often steered me wrong, but one generally wants to have arguments that other people can see and agree with as well . . .

Blegh. Their argument for Ne could equally apply to Se. That's just basic extroverted perception stuff.

lol @ anti-ESFP radar. /I'm/ the one who got stuck with ESP parents

Blegh. Their argument for Ne could equally apply to Se. That's just basic extroverted perception stuff.
Mmmm, but I think there is something in the contrast with Han. Finn just seems to lack a . . . basic practicality that even ESFPs have.

lol @ anti-ESFP radar. /I'm/ the one who got stuck with ESP parents
When I was younger, I thought of it as used car salesman radar.

True, he doesn't have earthy Se flavour.

>> When I was younger, I thought of it as used car salesman radar.

You just reminded me of the time my dad struck up a conversation with a guy walking his dog outside our house-- by the end of the conversation he'd convinced the guy to give the dog to us.

True, he doesn't have earthy Se flavour.
Sometimes when I'm iffy on a character in and of themselves, I'll use contrasts to the other characters to refine.

You just reminded me of the time my dad struck up a conversation with a guy walking his dog outside our house-- by the end of the conversation he'd convinced the guy to give the dog to us.
Yeah, see, I don't wanna be anywhere near that kind of thing. Best to know immediately that you need to get the fuck out of there.

Some times I kind of envy his people skills and sometimes I'm glad I didn't pick any of them up.

>> Best to know immediately that you need to get the fuck out of there.

Yeah, imagine being caught between that and a bulldozer for about 19 years. No wonder I was short-circuiting.

I shudder to think . . .

Sorry 'bout vanishing...

Still don't have anything intelligent to contribute, although I came across this lovely Han Solo video that I think you'll like. Original trilogy only:

http://sholio.livejournal.com/684968.html

I'd wondered where you got to!

Oh Han <3 I'm strangely ok with him getting deaded. But Kylo better have a damn good storyline.

Edited 2016-01-09 19:43 (UTC)

First week back at work after two weeks off... Head seriously not in the right frame of mind.

Oh Han <3 I'm strangely ok with him getting deaded.
I remember reading a few reviews before we went to see it, with people going 'I cried three times!' and... I didn't. Like, at all. Like, I loved the storytelling too much to feel sad. (It's such a gorgeous scene.)

But Kylo better have a damn good storyline.
I can't wait! :) :) :)

First week back at work after two weeks off... Head seriously not in the right frame of mind.
Ahhhhh. I hover between jealousy and smugness over not having these problems . . .

I didn't. Like, at all. Like, I loved the storytelling too much to feel sad. (It's such a gorgeous scene.)
Me either. I mean, we got a very sketchy framework of the intervening time, but it's great stuff. And everything feels true to character. And his death is obviously going to be central going forward, so mostly am just very excited to see what happens next.

Me either. I mean, we got a very sketchy framework of the intervening time, but it's great stuff. And everything feels true to character.
*nods* He was still very much Han Solo, but there weren't a lot of places to go with his character, so having him be the sacrificial lamb makes sense.

Icon time! Because Rey <3

Indeed. <3

And we had a big family gathering today. Partly because younger b-i-l is back from the South Pole for a few days. But also it's older B-i-l's birthday tomorrow. And since he's turning 40 everyone chipped in to buy his present: A LEGO Millennium Falcon. <3

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