ext_7314 ([identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] elisi 2006-09-19 06:56 pm (UTC)

Except she told Xander her reasons for thinking the way she did

In The Zeppo? I don't think so, she hadn't told him she didn't want him around because he'll get hurt, she sent him away with a lie. Same as in End of Days, while it's clear that Buffy only trusted Xander with Dawn, her major reason for him to leave was so he won't get hurt "This place isn't for either of you"

he had the choice to accept them or not

Sure, but he's so damn loyal to her that he'll do whatever she says *winks* except when he thinks it's not right.

Also, they were never in a relationship like Willow/Tara and Buffy/Angel. The circumstances aren't comparable, especially since Buffy was, in fact, the leader.

I agree. Okay, another example: How about when she broke up with Spike in As You Were?

Angel just flat-out didn't think she was capable of making the decision in the first place. That's sexism, no two ways about it. He saw her, pursued her, manipulated his way into her life, slept with her (she was mature enough to make *that* decision, funnily enough), then continually pursued her after that. It's exemplified in one exchange: "Are you still my girl?" Why ask her that if he knew it was doomed? To keep her on a string, of course, not unlike Drusilla. And the smugness in Yoko Factor, the having her followed at the end of the series...

I don't think it's that way. Sure, he thought she was a kid, but he was also as confused as her. He wanted her, but he knew it was wrong, yet he forgot all about it to be with her, until The Mayor spoke about it bringing back Angel's previous fears. I don't think he manipulated her or anything like that, he was a vampire in love, he thought about it rationally at first, then the strength of that love between him and Buffy along with Willow's speech made him ignore his fears and try to begin a relationship with Buffy.

Angel's attitude in The Yoko Factor is no more childish than Buffy's on AtS. Angel came back to apologize about kicking her out (when IMO she's the one who should give that apology because of the harsh speech she told him in his home) and when he saw Riley, he acted like a jealous idiot, but in the end he apologized. And that makes him good in my book. ~_^

I was only annoyed by Angel's actions towards Buffy in Chosen and then his possessive attitude in AtS season five. Before that, I thought he was a decent guy.

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