But Buffy broke up with him in 'Lovers Walk' and he plain didn't accept it. So I think what I wish, is when Buffy (in The Prom) said "I don't care about that!" (meaning children, sex, a boyfriend who doesn't set on fire in sunlight etc), he could have answered: "Yes you do. You told me so yourself and you were right."
My memory of S3 is very fuzzy... (Actually my memory of Bangel is very fuzzy, when I watch the high school years, I skip Bangel because the Core Four, Xandelia and Willoz stuff are more fun to watch) but I read the script. I think Angel sees Buffy as a little girl. He's in love with her, he'd sacrifice his life for her, but to him, she's just a teenage girl with highschool girl's fantisies. And she is. To some extent. The way she babbles about the prom, the way she jokes sometimes... Angel is old, heart and age. He doesn't get her child-like behavior like boys her age.
That probably was the reason Bangel didn't work like Spuffy. I'm not sure Spuffy would have worked in high school years just as much as I'm not sure if Bangel worked in the later seasons. But relationship wise, Bangel was healthier but Spuffy worked better because mind and heart Buffy and Spike were in the same line.
It's the fact that he forces the issue with no discussion that annoys me so. He does the same thing (but worse) in IWRY, and it makes me go grrr. Of course it's entirely consistent with the character and (in its way) very selfless. But - as Tara said: "But you don't get to decide what is better for us, Will. We're in a relationship, we are supposed to decide together."
It also goes with his thinking of Buffy as a little girl who can't think rationally. If I remember their relationship correctly, I remember Angel being baffled by Buffy talking about teenage stuff, having a young girl's look on life, which made him make decisions without talking to her. Though the difference between Angel and Willow (I assume Tara's speech is about Willow's little forgetting spell in All The Way) is that Angel made these decisions from a rational, selfless way of thinking, while Willow's choices are more selfish and childish.
I understand Angel, and how hard it is for him, but he has a serious superiority complex.
Which is something he has in common with Buffy *winks* I remember when Buffy made Xander's decisions for him (The Zeppo and End of Days) and her intentions are pretty much like Angel's.
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My memory of S3 is very fuzzy... (Actually my memory of Bangel is very fuzzy, when I watch the high school years, I skip Bangel because the Core Four, Xandelia and Willoz stuff are more fun to watch) but I read the script. I think Angel sees Buffy as a little girl. He's in love with her, he'd sacrifice his life for her, but to him, she's just a teenage girl with highschool girl's fantisies. And she is. To some extent. The way she babbles about the prom, the way she jokes sometimes... Angel is old, heart and age. He doesn't get her child-like behavior like boys her age.
That probably was the reason Bangel didn't work like Spuffy. I'm not sure Spuffy would have worked in high school years just as much as I'm not sure if Bangel worked in the later seasons. But relationship wise, Bangel was healthier but Spuffy worked better because mind and heart Buffy and Spike were in the same line.
It's the fact that he forces the issue with no discussion that annoys me so. He does the same thing (but worse) in IWRY, and it makes me go grrr. Of course it's entirely consistent with the character and (in its way) very selfless. But - as Tara said: "But you don't get to decide what is better for us, Will. We're in a relationship, we are supposed to decide together."
It also goes with his thinking of Buffy as a little girl who can't think rationally. If I remember their relationship correctly, I remember Angel being baffled by Buffy talking about teenage stuff, having a young girl's look on life, which made him make decisions without talking to her. Though the difference between Angel and Willow (I assume Tara's speech is about Willow's little forgetting spell in All The Way) is that Angel made these decisions from a rational, selfless way of thinking, while Willow's choices are more selfish and childish.
I understand Angel, and how hard it is for him, but he has a serious superiority complex.
Which is something he has in common with Buffy *winks* I remember when Buffy made Xander's decisions for him (The Zeppo and End of Days) and her intentions are pretty much like Angel's.