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elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2013-05-27 06:30 pm

Meta: The Name of the Doctor (it's not a ghost story, it's a love story)

First of all, you should all go read this:

Doctor Who: The Name Of The Doctor Review – 8 Ways Steven Moffat Defined The Heroine’s Journey

Because I won't be talking much about Clara, and that review does a beautiful job of explaining a lot of the ways I see her.

The one thing I will mention specifically is her importance as a mirror (opposite) to River:

- Melody Pond was the girl born to kill the Doctor, with no choice.

- Clara Oswald was the girl born to save the Doctor - entirely of her own choice.

Yes, she figured out that she had to do it because it had already happened, but time can be broken, as well we know. She had both the Doctor and River tell her no...

Yet she grasped her opportunity and leapt.

And re-wrote the Doctor.

Where River was warped around the Doctor (as were all the Ponds, and the show never shied away from showing the inherent problems), the Doctor is now warped around Clara. And she is in many ways the new Rose - the one to pull him out of the darkness, quite literally, after he lost everything... Not as a love interest (or rebound), but just as his Clara, his Impossible Girl. The Girl Who Saves Him.

Mind you, I'm now rather keen on having her meet Rose - seriously, just imagine it:

Clara: Oh my stars, you're Rose Tyler! The Bad Wolf! You killed all the Daleks!

Rose (pleased): He told you about me?

Clara (breezily, in her Clara way): Oh no, I was there.


However, I feel Clara's story is not done yet. Yes we know who she is, but it's not like River's story was over once we knew who she was. When it comes to Clara, I feel this was more like AGMGTW - it answered a lot of questions, but still left many unanswered. Why does the TARDIS not like her? Why does she keep being monster'd? What's with all the bird imagery?

Whereas the Ponds had a very specific role (new start, learning to live again, family, coming to terms with who he was now, all the fairy tale stuff), Clara has right from the beginning been tied to the Time War and his role as warrior - and helping him move on. River mirrored him in this, but the first thing Clara [/Oswin] did was erase him from the Daleks' memory, freeing him. She was the one to find the book of The Time War, and learning his name that way, before falling down the rabbit hole in the finale and learning it all...

Basically, [livejournal.com profile] promethia_tenk summed up the whole thing in her vid: The New Age

However, all this involves reaching forward, trying to see where we are heading. And I can't see clearly. I'm guessing that Moffat will tackle the Time War head on, and through that help the Doctor to move forward. A clean slate for the 50th - that sounds about right.

But this episode was all about endings... And at this point we have reached the very end of A Christmas Carol:

AMY: It'll be their last day together, won't it?

DOCTOR: Everything has to end some time, otherwise nothing would ever get started.




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Firstly, you should go here: In Gallifreyan we don't say 'I love you' - We just freeze time so we don't have to kill the one we love (read the tags)

Welcome to the last chapter of The Ultimate, No-Win, Tragic Love Story.

From the CiN minisode:

InvisibleWife2

Oh my heart.

The wife who wasn’t there. The wife who was never mentioned, the wife alluded to over and over in imagery, but never directly. Never named.

And this was why.

He wasn’t just grieving for his friends.

He was a widower.

(No wonder he chose Victorian London.)

(And this makes me love his friends even more...

Doctor: I have to save Vastra and Strax. Jenny too if it's still possible. They cared for me during the dark times. Never questioned me, never judged me, they were just... kind, I owe them. I have a duty.

Kindness is the greatest virtue in this 'verse. And 'the dark times'. My poor Doctor.)

He eventually found his Clara, but he knew time makes us all pay:

This is a gift, it comes with a price
Who is the lamb and who is the knife?


And the price is summed up in one word:

Pond.

But it’s not a ghost story - it’s a love story. And as I learned a long time ago in a different ‘verse:

realitybends

"You’re always here to me. And I always listen. And I can always see you."

River Song - just an echo, a copy... And yet not. The souffle isn’t the souffle, the souffle is the recipe. All the Claras are Clara.

And Melody Pond is River Song, and River Song is River Song, no matter that she is just a data ghost.

The important thing here is that they are linear, both of them facing their death, and the end of all things.

Bathed in the light of everything he was, his life extinguished, his body no more, endings are impossible to run from....

To go back a moment, to when the GI attacks:

River: "When you run with the Doctor, it feels like it will never end. But however hard you try, you can't run for ever. Everybody knows that everybody dies, and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark, if he ever, for one moment accepts it."

He did. And they did.

Until Clara saved him.

But accepting his own death was easier than accepting River’s. He runs from endings, leaves people behind. But River was always the exception - the one who refused to budge if she didn’t get what she needed. And so she guides him through the last obstacle...

The scene made one specific [Moffat] quote spring to mind - so strongly that I feel that it is probably deliberate:

Doctor Dances

He and River were always dancing - she made him run, forced him to keep up, rather than needing explanations.

Doctor: “Always suspected what it was, never wanted to find out myself. River would know though. River always knew.”

(This should not be compared to Ten’s comment on Rose. Ten was grieving for his lost companion. Eleven is stating a fact.)

Mostly though, we have beautiful, beautiful circles. River - the Child of the TARDIS. Whose life began and ended within those walls. Bespoke...

His equal, his partner, his queen, his wife.

Here is what I wrote almost 3 years ago (Hello Sweetie: A Doctor/River Essay.):

Still, I am sure that one day River will decide that it is her time, and send one last, final message to her Doctor:

‘Goodbye Sweetie.’

And I was right.

I just didn’t know how much it would hurt. Or just how much more there would be. How deep, how wide, how complex, how beautiful.

The music from their wedding nearly did me in. And he steps into the light column on the exact beat of their kiss back then. Most beautiful show ever.

(Because she is truly gone now, her Library echo extinguished. Otherwise the whole thing is meaningless.)

Never has this been more true:



(He was so young. Understood so little. Not her. Not even himself.)

Ten: There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could...

Before The Name of the Doctor aired I pulled out the above quote when the River we saw in the previews seemed to be (post) Library River. Promethia and I had the following discussion:

elisi: Mind you, she still has to be around in person [in the episode] to actually LEARN his name, y/y?

promethia_tenk: This is the big stumbling block I'm coming over. Or if that River is post-Library, then pre-Library River must show up too. Unless she just knows already because he, ya know, told her. Because he wanted to and trusted her and now there's just this minor problem of the universe wanting to know as well. Which I can actually see happening, much in the way that he totally married her to keep the universe from blowing up because it was the only possible option and he was forced to, seriously.

Actually, wouldn't that just be Ten's tragedy in a nutshell? Thinking there is only "one way" something could happen because, basically, he can't imagine something better?

Rather want this to be the case now...

Also, it nicely preserves the most important thing about that moment in the Library, which was that it made the Doctor "just a man." There is nothing special about his name. It's not a cosmic revelation. It's just a name. That he told his wife. When he couldn't imagine ever having reason to do that again.

I love it when she’s right.

But then - who better to understand the meaning and importance of a name than River?

DOCTOR: Look, three options. One: I let the Star Whale continue in unendurable agony for hundreds more years. Two: I kill everyone on this ship. Three: I murder a beautiful, innocent creature as painlessly as I can. And then I find a new name, cos I won't be the Doctor any more.
The Beast below

It’s all one story. The revelation in the last minute might have been shocking, but the foundations have been laid for the past three years (*waves to the Dream Lord*). Just look at this:

The Doctor's Secret

Mind you, I noticed that even as the Whisper Men are killing all his friends he still doesn't say his name, only begs for the GI to stop.

(Doctor: "I will destroy us if I have to. I will destroy us if I have to." Cold War)

In this context it’s interesting to look at the three finales next to each other... Each one has focussed on an attack on the Doctor, and slowly we have been finding out why:

- In S5 we had the Alliance locking him up, to save the universe from him... Except there was obviously another agent operating. The Doctor seemed to have been framed.

- In S6 we had the Silence creating River - along with a fixed point in time - to ensure that he would never reach Trenzalore, as we learned that his name was a danger.

- And in S7 the GI forced him to go to that very place. And we began to understand why his name might be dangerous.

So who is the mysterious not!Doctor? I hesitate calling him Valeyard - that’s a very specific incarnation - and I’m not sure I can refer to him as ‘dark!Doctor’, since he might be dark, but not in the way we usually associate with ‘dark’. Or rather - it's not a separate sort of darkness. Mostly I lean towards Time War Doctor, even though we’ve seen the Doctor claim that war as his own on several occasions...

NINTH DOCTOR: They're never gonna come! Your race is dead! You all burnt, all of you. Ten million ships on fire - the entire Dalek race wiped out in one second.

DALEK: You lie!

NINTH DOCTOR: I watched it happen. I MADE it happen!

DALEK: And what of the Time Lords?

NINTH DOCTOR: Dead. They burnt with you. The end of the last great Time War. Everyone lost.

~~~

TENTH DOCTOR: For a long time now, I thought I was just a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the winner. That's who I am. The Time Lord Victorious.

~~~

HOUSE: Fear me. I've killed hundreds of Time Lords.

ELEVENTH DOCTOR: Fear ME. I've killed all of them.

But then... not!Doctor is *him*, even if he isn’t the Doctor. There are some very clever linguistics at work here.

Doctor: The name you choose, it’s like a promise you make.

Not!Doctor: What I did, I did without choice. In the name of peace and sanity.

Doctor: But not in the name of the Doctor!


Go through S7 and you will in every episode find characters acting 'in the name of peace and sanity' whilst committing atrocities. Or, to quote Promethia:

Rather intrigued by that final beat: the Doctor has denied his name to that incarnation and then, immediately: Introducing John Hurt as The Doctor. You're 1) continuing the "Doctor Who?" trend of breaking the fourth wall but now doing it in an utterly flagrant and undeniable way and 2) immediately contradicting on a meta level the Doctor's own explanation for this character. Gloves are off, bitches: it's the Doctor versus the writer, winner takes the franchise *g*


And finally...

lovedoesntend


[identity profile] hawkmoth.livejournal.com 2013-05-27 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I sit here and read meta like this and hit myself over the head because you're all so damn brilliant!

Oh, damn, I didn't even think that River's good-bye meant she's gone forever, the library copy erased...? (Not truly gone from the Doctor, as he said, but they both had to let go...?) *lalala...I want to think she's still there*

Whatever guilt or responsibility Eleven still feels over the Time War...I think it's less than Nine's, a bit more that Ten's. Perhaps they had more completely blocked out the secret memory of the one we've now been introduced to. Eleven has the memory because of all the other damage that's been inflicted on the Universe and himself. There are still forces in play against him!

I need to watch all of this series again.

And what I feel about Clara, I've expressed in story:

http://hawkmoth.livejournal.com/tag/clara%20fic

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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2013-05-27 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark, if he ever, for one moment accepts it." / He did. And they did.
I love this insight. Also Moff once again delivers on his tendency to go and make things literally true when you thought he was just being poetical *g*

The music from their wedding nearly did me in. And he steps into the light column on the exact beat of their kiss back then. Most beautiful show ever.
. . .

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

[identity profile] amy8benson.livejournal.com 2013-05-27 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
From the CiN minisod
Omg, you see it, don't you?
I thought I was just seeing things, but now, when there are two of us...
I wish we were shown more of this story, but still the moment you realise, that everything has already happened, knocks you out in the most beutiful and hurtful way.


Thank you for your wonderful meta! :)
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2013-05-27 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It's one of the lines that's always... I wouldn't say irked me, but it seemed to have escaped from the Rusty era, y'know?
Hmmmmm . . . Never bothered me that way. One because I figure when you're giving basically the best speech in all of nu!Who a final dead person soliloquy, you're allowed a certain amount of poetic licence. And two because she is pointedly talking about the Doctor's mentality. The Doctor is who is he is because he's the one who can't just accept these things. She never says that nobody ever dies around the Doctor--she says that he can't give up. For good and for ill, as this ep points out. Which is a rather different thing than all those burns in the center of the universe speeches were saying.

Mind you, I love how it mirrors TSE/JE and the 'stars going out' except the Doctor can't save them - the solution is to save the Doctor. He's not the hero, but the victim.
The next time I watch those episodes, I shall have to try to pay attention to what is going on so that I can actually appreciate this comparison.

I, uh, have never heard anyone say that before.
I'm not sure if anybody has ever actually said it before? Like, I don't know if it's an actual coloquial saying that people would actually use. But I heard a character say it once and it was just the most delightfully ridiculous expression of shocked pleasure I'd ever heard . . . (That's an American biscuit, natch).
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[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2013-05-27 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
(And you didn't notice the music? Really?)
I'm slow like that. Well, I'm more of a visual person; it's not the sort of thing I usually notice unless it's pointed out.

But does he really step into his timestream at the same beat as the kiss? I love that. This is it, the apocalypse: welcome to the new age!

[identity profile] metanewsmods.livejournal.com 2013-05-27 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Lovely post: can we link at [livejournal.com profile] metanewsfandom?

[personal profile] kikimay 2013-05-28 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I really can't add anything smart. You already said everything. I just feel so emotional towards River and the Doctor, I feel I'm going to ship them in the afterlife. >w< I was pleased to know that "The Name of the Doctor" was loved even by those who didn't like River or the Moffat's way to tell the Doctor's story and I think that the episode was so liked because it talks about something so universal and essential as love.

It's not a ghost story but a love story ... it wasn't the a mystery story of identity discovered but a love story. And personally I think that love became so universal with Moffat on the run. It feels like a polyamorous story because it's about sharing the destiny with someone else: Amy shared her destiny with the Doctor and with Rory and Rory with the Doctor because of Amy (love); the Doctor shared his destiny with River who was supposed to kill him and then with Clara, who saved him everytime and I feel like he didn't lost a pound of love even in the process of losing River, because love was everywhere in the episode (His friends, Clara who sacrificed her integrity for him ... it's always there to him and he can always listen) Somehow River and Clara and Idris are all examples of wife (because marriage it's about sharing destiny) and they are always everywhere to him and they never die.

MY HEART! *////* <3
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[personal profile] radiolaires 2013-05-28 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
This is so beautiful.
The wife who wasn’t there. The wife who was never mentioned, the wife alluded to over and over in imagery, but never directly. Never named.
Yes! This part... The cold music room at Caliburn House, yet the heart of the House, Clara and the Doctor guided/supported by songs in Cold War, JTTCoTT, even the gramophones used in the empty factories of The Crimson Horror. She was everywhere! And I am really happy he turned out to be mourning all his Ponds, River included, at the Christmas special.

I don't think River's Library echo is extinguished though. She is to him, because she stopped haunting him and he stopped clinging to her memory, especially to the memory of a dead River, having her around as he would with a younger River. Except this one is dead. To me -and my great displeasure- River is still stuck in the Library. But she won't be a negative presence as she was this whole season. He got this post-Library River out of his system in a way. Which is good because he's no Heathcliff.

The "Reality bends to desire" quote was beautiful and so true. As the gifset tags proved it, both River and the Doctor have a tendency to bend reality -or rather make reality bend- to follow their desire. What I really liked about it is the fact that River seems to have reached a point where she is an idea, a story, crafted and written. But this time in his head. Because River has always been the woman who chose and created herself, telling her story, through her clothes and diary and entrances and attitudes. And here what we have is the Doctor basically telling he had been telling another River, her ghost, who still is River. Any River still is River, even when she is just an essence as in the Library. And this is beautiful, as myths use common grounds and threads to tell and create, it reinforces her status as an essence, a proto-myth for herself and others, the River Song we know only being an avatar -fleshed out by herself, ironically. I'm not sure I'm making any sense...

This was great! Thank you for sharing the links to the meta article.
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So that's what we do

[personal profile] promethia_tenk 2013-05-28 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thinking more about why the answers about Clara here feel incomplete. And a big part of it is the difference between saving the Doctor and saving the world. Here, she is saving the Doctor. Yeah, she saves the world in the process, but her self-professed mission statement is that she needs to save the Doctor. It is, as I think you pointed out earlier in the season, a very traditional role for the companion in a season finale: Doctor saves everything, companion saves the Doctor (or, often, companion saves the Doctor ----> Doctor saves everything). And here she is the ur-companion. Now, Moff complicates this in some interesting ways: saving the Doctor is saving the world in this case, so the Doctor doesn't have any Tinkerbell Jesusing to do. Instead he has to save her, and thus on some level their roles are reversed. But still, basically, it is Clara as ur-companion, saving the Doctor.

But we already know that she is meant for more! She didn't have signs around her saying "epic ur-companion." They said "Clara Oswin Oswald, savior of fucking worlds! (gonna save yours)"

Also, I think this is in interesting contrast to River, who was already the Doctor's designated protector, sometimes to a fault (how does Moff put it? The rest of the universe can go hang.) It's a role she basically only transcends with her own death where, similarly, saving the Doctor and saving the world (well, 4000-some people) were the same thing. But still, who knows more about self-sacrifice for the sake of the Doctor than River? And she tells Clara not to do it.

[identity profile] lyricwrites.livejournal.com 2013-05-28 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
When it comes to Clara, I feel this was more like AGMGTW - it answered a lot of questions, but still left many unanswered.Why does the TARDIS not like her?

Well, from the TARDIS's perspective, she's a bit like River was to the Doctor. She comes from the other end of the TARDIS's life and affects it profoundly ("the steering is knackered, but you'll have more fun"). I'm willing to bet that the TARDIS can't perceive anything from within her own grave (the place a time traveler can't go), so she may not know what went on there—and to an entity as close to omniscient as the TARDIS, that's probably incredibly unsettling. (Ten felt much the same way, in the Library . . .) Plus, she might have something to do with the TARDIS's own death. The crack in the TARDIS window, the one created by the fall down to Trenzalore—the giant TARDIS corpse still had it. That implies that Trenzalore may be soon. (Of course, if Clara is the TARDIS's River, then the death at Trenzalore can be cheated. In fact, there are probably several ways to cheat Trenzalore, some more disastrous than others.)

Of course, shortly after the episode, I said to my husband, "So, basically, the TARDIS's objection to Clara was, 'If someone doesn't tell me right fucking now why the same girl keeps turning up across all time and space then it's swamp planets from here on out, do you hear me, I am not kidding, Thief.'" So that's another possibility.

Why does she keep being monster'd?

I can't guess exactly where Moffat is going with it, but I don't believe for an instant that Clara is going to be unaffected by what she just did. Rory always remained Rory the Roman, even after normality asserted himself. Is what the Doctor pulls out of his time stream even going to be human? (Well, yes, ultimately, but she may have to fight like hell to stay that way.)

(Which is, incidentally, something that always felt a little off about Series 2, with Rose. You shouldn't be able to do something like Bad Wolf and not be affected. There are a lot of parallels between the two of them, and I'll be really interested to see what happens when they interact in the anniversary special.)

What's with all the bird imagery?

. . . yeah, for this one, I got nothing.
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[personal profile] radiolaires 2013-06-02 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
See I just don't understand how you can see it like that?
Well, I don't think we will see River Song again. It was a final goodbye. But, you have to remember she was downloaded to a computer. So she's a file or a program, she has a "physical" reality. The doctor couldn't just will her out of existence : someone needs to go and delete her (or just let her rot for eternity). Yes, she's gone but only to the doctor who accepted that a ghost!River was not a substitute for an alive River.

I'm not familiar with Angel but the idea is beautiful.
Edited 2013-06-02 11:36 (UTC)

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