I still wonder if the 456 would have heeded the Doctor's warning. Of course he didn't show up so... *throws hands up* Might-have-beens are tricky.
They are. I've seen it argued that a reply would be unfair as the DWverse cheats by not bringing the Doctor in these type of situations to begin with, except that it does. (He doesn't always win the day, though he does more often than team Torchwood, that IS the nature of the show; and sometimes he does have to kill innocents, not "just" the guilty, to save more innocents. Ask the citizens of Pompeii. The difference is that we did not see the event where he had to do it to family members on screen, to wit, the Time War.) What is a difference in the conception of shows is that DW more often than not allows the human spirit to be a crucial factor in winning the day; situations like Midnight or the revelation about who the Toclafane are - and thus how humanity will inevitably end up - are the exception, not the rule.
Another thing: while "telling the villain not to pursue evil course of action" IS a Doctor trope, he usually has a plan B because most villains aren't like the Vashta Nerada and actually listen to his warning. So, for example, when he offers the Empress of the Raccnoss and her children a lift from Earth to some uninhabited planet and the Empress declines, he already has the control units he picked up from the Santas with him which allow him to drown the Raccnoss after she says no. When he tries to talk the new Cyberuler, our woman in red, out of things in The Next Doctor, again he has the instrument to destroy her already with him after she declines. The offers are always genuine - he doesn't go after the Vashta Nerada after they accepted it - but he usually has something up his sleeve if they say no. (Even if he's planning on dying in the process if they don't accept his offer, as with the Sontarans in s4. If Luke Rattigan hadn't substituted himself for the Doctor at the last second, the Sontarans still would have been blown up, just along with and by the Doctor himself.) Jack and Ianto, otoh, made the mistake of going in and giving the big talk WITHOUT a plan B in case the 456 aren't bluffing. Which presumably the Doctor would not have done.
...all of which is assuming he'd have intervened, and this wasn't one of those "fixed" events. A category which going by the trailer whatever happens in "The Waters of Mars" will also fall under, which is something new because it takes place in the future. The show has done the "this is an historic event we CAN'T change" a couple of times, starting with One and the Aztecs, and One and the massacre of Bartholomew's Eve, but they always picked events that were historic for the viewing audience as well, not events that are in the future/present for us, if not for the Doctor.
To go back to the 456: we're deep into speculative country here, but going by their insistence on "you yielded before, you will do so again", part of why they returned to Earth was because, they had already succeeded with their, as Gwen put it, protection racket once here. (And because they knew Earth tech wasn't comparable to their own.) If their mentality actually was typical for protection rackets, they might have backed off when faced with someone they knew had an Oncoming Storm record. Otoh, we're talking about drug addicts here. Rationality is not their strong suit.
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They are. I've seen it argued that a reply would be unfair as the DWverse cheats by not bringing the Doctor in these type of situations to begin with, except that it does. (He doesn't always win the day, though he does more often than team Torchwood, that IS the nature of the show; and sometimes he does have to kill innocents, not "just" the guilty, to save more innocents. Ask the citizens of Pompeii. The difference is that we did not see the event where he had to do it to family members on screen, to wit, the Time War.) What is a difference in the conception of shows is that DW more often than not allows the human spirit to be a crucial factor in winning the day; situations like Midnight or the revelation about who the Toclafane are - and thus how humanity will inevitably end up - are the exception, not the rule.
Another thing: while "telling the villain not to pursue evil course of action" IS a Doctor trope, he usually has a plan B because most villains aren't like the Vashta Nerada and actually listen to his warning. So, for example, when he offers the Empress of the Raccnoss and her children a lift from Earth to some uninhabited planet and the Empress declines, he already has the control units he picked up from the Santas with him which allow him to drown the Raccnoss after she says no. When he tries to talk the new Cyberuler, our woman in red, out of things in The Next Doctor, again he has the instrument to destroy her already with him after she declines. The offers are always genuine - he doesn't go after the Vashta Nerada after they accepted it - but he usually has something up his sleeve if they say no. (Even if he's planning on dying in the process if they don't accept his offer, as with the Sontarans in s4. If Luke Rattigan hadn't substituted himself for the Doctor at the last second, the Sontarans still would have been blown up, just along with and by the Doctor himself.) Jack and Ianto, otoh, made the mistake of going in and giving the big talk WITHOUT a plan B in case the 456 aren't bluffing. Which presumably the Doctor would not have done.
...all of which is assuming he'd have intervened, and this wasn't one of those "fixed" events. A category which going by the trailer whatever happens in "The Waters of Mars" will also fall under, which is something new because it takes place in the future. The show has done the "this is an historic event we CAN'T change" a couple of times, starting with One and the Aztecs, and One and the massacre of Bartholomew's Eve, but they always picked events that were historic for the viewing audience as well, not events that are in the future/present for us, if not for the Doctor.
To go back to the 456: we're deep into speculative country here, but going by their insistence on "you yielded before, you will do so again", part of why they returned to Earth was because, they had already succeeded with their, as Gwen put it, protection racket once here. (And because they knew Earth tech wasn't comparable to their own.) If their mentality actually was typical for protection rackets, they might have backed off when faced with someone they knew had an Oncoming Storm record. Otoh, we're talking about drug addicts here. Rationality is not their strong suit.