Apparently there's a “manuscript” being prepared in the episode, and, well, mediaevalists are somewhere between not happy and yelling at the TV with rage. Quite entertainingly. (If the scene is as described and I'd been watching it, I might have fallen into the “yelling at the TV” camp too.)
I do object to this notion that Brienne's only role in this episode is to eulogize Jamie Lannister at the expense of any recognition of herself. I mean, that's just factually inaccurate:
1) She's sitting on the gathering choosing the new king, which she would be doing as the representative of her house.
2) A subtext of the writing scene is that she is now Lord Commander of the King's Guard, because that is the person who maintains the book. So, like, she totally took his job.
3) And she's on the small council in a third scene. Girl is now a huge power player.
Also Brienne would never in a million years start tooting her own horn like that, that is not her character, pay attention people. YOU LEAVE MY BB ALONE.
But, like, also keep the memes coming because they're hilarious.
I do object to this notion that Brienne's only role in this episode is to eulogize Jamie Lannister at the expense of any recognition of herself. I mean, that's just factually inaccurate Yes I find it odd. Would they rather it be the other way around? She was dead and he was writing about *her*???
As you cay, her arc has (interestingly) been that she BECAME him. (Did she love him? Or did she love what he represented?) And she gets to be the curator of his story, and the show rather hammered home the importance of stories. Being a story teller is also v powerful.
But, like, also keep the memes coming because they're hilarious. Hear hear! Especially 'First woman writer since S3'. >:)
Yes I find it odd. Would they rather it be the other way around? She was dead and he was writing about *her*??? What I find rather odd is the notion that people would rather see her embittered. Like, it seems like she is in a good place with what happened and is moving on.
As you cay, her arc has (interestingly) been that she BECAME him. (Did she love him? Or did she love what he represented?) It's more the other way around if anything. Brienne is remarkably consistent as a character. Her arc is mostly about being recognized for the things she wants to be recognized for and getting to be true to her own values: getting to be loved, to belong, to be a knight, to uphold the things she's sworn to, etc. And Jaime is a huge part in getting her those things, so she loves him for that and for the person she sees he wants to be. Whereas Jaime has this part of him that does want to be honorable but has always been told by society and his family that that's not him and he believes them and acts accordingly. But in Brienne he meets this person who society treats as a complete joke and yet is the most incorruptible person he's ever met and he wants that.
And she gets to be the curator of his story, and the show rather hammered home the importance of stories. Being a story teller is also v powerful. Alas on the show this turn to the value of storytelling is a bit sudden, so I can see it not really sinking in for people. In the books it's been a much more consistent thing and I've long felt like this world has people who understand the value of realpolitik and the people who understand the value of stories and that it would be the people who understand both who end up on top (which is why I've never feared that Tyrion wouldn't make it to the end).
Hear hear! Especially 'First woman writer since S3'. >:) That one' probably my favorite.
You got a Brienne icon! That's exciting. I thought it was Daenerys. Just looked at the white hair and the 'unhappy ending'... And generally just liked the look of it, rather than anything else. Could have sworn it came from this post, but it must have been somewhere else. Anyway, that post has a lot of gorgeous icons.
What I find rather odd is the notion that people would rather see her embittered. Like, it seems like she is in a good place with what happened and is moving on. If the whole thing is 'You win or you die' - she won.
But in Brienne he meets this person who society treats as a complete joke and yet is the most incorruptible person he's ever met and he wants that. ... Yes, that makes sense. I am hazy on details, but definitely remember him rescuing her from the bear pit, just because.
Alas on the show this turn to the value of storytelling is a bit sudden, so I can see it not really sinking in for people. Yeah, I've been thinking about all the grumblings, and people signed up for a political show - The Tudors with dragons - and then it disappeared off to something much closer to fantasy/fairy tales at the end.
In the books it's been a much more consistent thing and I've long felt like this world has people who understand the value of realpolitik and the people who understand the value of stories and that it would be the people who understand both who end up on top (which is why I've never feared that Tyrion wouldn't make it to the end). I read a thing where they had analysed who spoke the most (women spoke far less then men, surprise, surprise), but the most wordy (by quite a way) was Tyrion... ;)
I thought it was Daenerys. Just looked at the white hair and the 'unhappy ending'... I'll admit, I was wondering what the unhappy ending thing was about, but I'm fairly certain that's not Dany, who never wears her hair completely up (I'm pretty darn sure? 95% sure). It's always braided back somehow but hanging down her back. I'm not entirely certain about the collar for Brienne? But it seems more likely to be her than Dany. Are we sure it's a GoT character?
Could have sworn it came from this post, but it must have been somewhere else. Anyway, that post has a lot of gorgeous icons. Oooo, pretties. And you could mine the creator names for more.
If the whole thing is 'You win or you die' - she won. Also a good point. Smart money was on her dying in episode 3, after she became a knight.
... Yes, that makes sense. I am hazy on details, but definitely remember him rescuing her from the bear pit, just because. The bear and the maiden fair.
Yeah, I've been thinking about all the grumblings, and people signed up for a political show - The Tudors with dragons - and then it disappeared off to something much closer to fantasy/fairy tales at the end. It's nowhere near a straight fairy tale ending, but if you're actually going to have an end for something and make it feel like an ending, you sort of need . . . narrative contrivance. And tropes. Without that your only real options are 'everybody dies' or 'they basically just continued the same way they've been doing for eight seasons.' If you're not going to impose some fairy tale on it, it's not a story, it's just life.
I read a thing where they had analysed who spoke the most (women spoke far less then men, surprise, surprise), but the most wordy (by quite a way) was Tyrion... ;) Oh, by huge margins. But he's very clearly the authorial mouthpiece here.
I'll admit, I was wondering what the unhappy ending thing was about, but I'm fairly certain that's not Dany, who never wears her hair completely up These are the details I miss... I think the Unhappy Ending + White hair made me think Dany. Either way, I like it! It's a very pretty icon.
Are we sure it's a GoT character? Yes. Except now I can't work out where I found it. :(
Oooo, pretties. And you could mine the creator names for more. Had the same thought, but a lot of them don't have any recent stuff, so we'll see.
Also a good point. Smart money was on her dying in episode 3, after she became a knight. Totally. So I'm glad she 'made it to the end'.
Without that your only real options are 'everybody dies' or 'they basically just continued the same way they've been doing for eight seasons.' If you're not going to impose some fairy tale on it, it's not a story, it's just life. They just wanted a DIFFERENT story. (One person said how the discussions about how to divide up the kingdom(s) should have been a season of their own, which seems... fairly in keeping with how things were previously? Although they might not want what they asked for.)
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But then on the other hand, the thing she was writing ending up smudged would 100% fit, symbolically, so maybe I'll go with that . . .
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(But yeah, strange oversight, since Twitter also tells me that they got in right in previous seasons...)
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https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18632754/brienne-writing-jaime-book-of-knights-meme-game-of-thrones-finale
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1) She's sitting on the gathering choosing the new king, which she would be doing as the representative of her house.
2) A subtext of the writing scene is that she is now Lord Commander of the King's Guard, because that is the person who maintains the book. So, like, she totally took his job.
3) And she's on the small council in a third scene. Girl is now a huge power player.
Also Brienne would never in a million years start tooting her own horn like that, that is not her character, pay attention people. YOU LEAVE MY BB ALONE.
But, like, also keep the memes coming because they're hilarious.
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Yes I find it odd. Would they rather it be the other way around? She was dead and he was writing about *her*???
As you cay, her arc has (interestingly) been that she BECAME him. (Did she love him? Or did she love what he represented?) And she gets to be the curator of his story, and the show rather hammered home the importance of stories. Being a story teller is also v powerful.
But, like, also keep the memes coming because they're hilarious.
Hear hear! Especially 'First woman writer since S3'. >:)
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Yes I find it odd. Would they rather it be the other way around? She was dead and he was writing about *her*???
What I find rather odd is the notion that people would rather see her embittered. Like, it seems like she is in a good place with what happened and is moving on.
As you cay, her arc has (interestingly) been that she BECAME him. (Did she love him? Or did she love what he represented?)
It's more the other way around if anything. Brienne is remarkably consistent as a character. Her arc is mostly about being recognized for the things she wants to be recognized for and getting to be true to her own values: getting to be loved, to belong, to be a knight, to uphold the things she's sworn to, etc. And Jaime is a huge part in getting her those things, so she loves him for that and for the person she sees he wants to be. Whereas Jaime has this part of him that does want to be honorable but has always been told by society and his family that that's not him and he believes them and acts accordingly. But in Brienne he meets this person who society treats as a complete joke and yet is the most incorruptible person he's ever met and he wants that.
And she gets to be the curator of his story, and the show rather hammered home the importance of stories. Being a story teller is also v powerful.
Alas on the show this turn to the value of storytelling is a bit sudden, so I can see it not really sinking in for people. In the books it's been a much more consistent thing and I've long felt like this world has people who understand the value of realpolitik and the people who understand the value of stories and that it would be the people who understand both who end up on top (which is why I've never feared that Tyrion wouldn't make it to the end).
Hear hear! Especially 'First woman writer since S3'. >:)
That one' probably my favorite.
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I thought it was Daenerys. Just looked at the white hair and the 'unhappy ending'... And generally just liked the look of it, rather than anything else. Could have sworn it came from this post, but it must have been somewhere else. Anyway, that post has a lot of gorgeous icons.
What I find rather odd is the notion that people would rather see her embittered. Like, it seems like she is in a good place with what happened and is moving on.
If the whole thing is 'You win or you die' - she won.
But in Brienne he meets this person who society treats as a complete joke and yet is the most incorruptible person he's ever met and he wants that.
... Yes, that makes sense. I am hazy on details, but definitely remember him rescuing her from the bear pit, just because.
Alas on the show this turn to the value of storytelling is a bit sudden, so I can see it not really sinking in for people.
Yeah, I've been thinking about all the grumblings, and people signed up for a political show - The Tudors with dragons - and then it disappeared off to something much closer to fantasy/fairy tales at the end.
In the books it's been a much more consistent thing and I've long felt like this world has people who understand the value of realpolitik and the people who understand the value of stories and that it would be the people who understand both who end up on top (which is why I've never feared that Tyrion wouldn't make it to the end).
I read a thing where they had analysed who spoke the most (women spoke far less then men, surprise, surprise), but the most wordy (by quite a way) was Tyrion... ;)
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I'll admit, I was wondering what the unhappy ending thing was about, but I'm fairly certain that's not Dany, who never wears her hair completely up (I'm pretty darn sure? 95% sure). It's always braided back somehow but hanging down her back. I'm not entirely certain about the collar for Brienne? But it seems more likely to be her than Dany. Are we sure it's a GoT character?
Could have sworn it came from this post, but it must have been somewhere else. Anyway, that post has a lot of gorgeous icons.
Oooo, pretties. And you could mine the creator names for more.
If the whole thing is 'You win or you die' - she won.
Also a good point. Smart money was on her dying in episode 3, after she became a knight.
... Yes, that makes sense. I am hazy on details, but definitely remember him rescuing her from the bear pit, just because.
The bear and the maiden fair.
Yeah, I've been thinking about all the grumblings, and people signed up for a political show - The Tudors with dragons - and then it disappeared off to something much closer to fantasy/fairy tales at the end.
It's nowhere near a straight fairy tale ending, but if you're actually going to have an end for something and make it feel like an ending, you sort of need . . . narrative contrivance. And tropes. Without that your only real options are 'everybody dies' or 'they basically just continued the same way they've been doing for eight seasons.' If you're not going to impose some fairy tale on it, it's not a story, it's just life.
I read a thing where they had analysed who spoke the most (women spoke far less then men, surprise, surprise), but the most wordy (by quite a way) was Tyrion... ;)
Oh, by huge margins. But he's very clearly the authorial mouthpiece here.
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These are the details I miss... I think the Unhappy Ending + White hair made me think Dany. Either way, I like it! It's a very pretty icon.
Are we sure it's a GoT character?
Yes. Except now I can't work out where I found it. :(
Oooo, pretties. And you could mine the creator names for more.
Had the same thought, but a lot of them don't have any recent stuff, so we'll see.
Also a good point. Smart money was on her dying in episode 3, after she became a knight.
Totally. So I'm glad she 'made it to the end'.
Without that your only real options are 'everybody dies' or 'they basically just continued the same way they've been doing for eight seasons.' If you're not going to impose some fairy tale on it, it's not a story, it's just life.
They just wanted a DIFFERENT story. (One person said how the discussions about how to divide up the kingdom(s) should have been a season of their own, which seems... fairly in keeping with how things were previously? Although they might not want what they asked for.)
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