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DoWntime has come through again, and how:

BIT OF ADRENALINE, DASH OF OUTRAGE: Our Thoughts on “The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos” and Series 11 Wrap-Up — Part 1/2

BIT OF ADRENALINE, DASH OF OUTRAGE: Our Thoughts on “The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos” and Series 11 Wrap-Up — Part 2/2

(They go through EVERYTHING: the characters, the villain, Themes and Motifs, Diversity and Representation, Marketing, Politics, Ethics and Aesthetics and The Discourse Problem. If you want to know what I think, just read those posts.)

Alternatively, here is the shorter version, as [personal profile] propergoffick put it here (spoilers in post!):

'And you get this Doctor who you know in your soul votes Lib Dem, recycles, and gets properly annoyed about what Nigel Farage said in the paper the other day, but doesn't do anything about huge systemic problems. She fixes the very specific problem in front of her and leaves well alone. J. K. Rowling in space and time.'

ETA: I *want* Thirteen to be wonderful and amazing and her companions to have fabulous depth and for there to be story-arcs and something to sink my teeth into. But there isn't.

In other news, I have almost finished S22 and may write up some thoughts on that! Six is my darling and I luff him to pieces. ♥

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Date: 15 December 2018 05:26 pm (UTC)
nostalgia: (six - rainbow every day)
From: [personal profile] nostalgia

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Date: 15 December 2018 07:44 pm (UTC)
auroracloud: Thirteenth Doctor with green hills and the TARDIS behind her (Thirteen TARDIS)
From: [personal profile] auroracloud
I got very little Six viewing into my Twitch marathon - The Mark of the Rani was the only one I was able to watch in full, though I did watch enough of The Two Doctors to get my Season 6B foundations (important for a Jamie fan). But I love his Big Finish audios, so I'm definitely going to return to the TV era. And just got to love someone who dresses in ALL THE COLOURS. (I need to make room for the Six icon I've got saved...)

Re: Thirteen era, I'm so mixed because on the other hand I enjoy the characters and enjoyed most of the episodes and I love what the actors do, and I was super hopeful early on and willing to forgive some flaws; but when I look at the season on a whole, it is disappointing, because you just don't get the sense that the Doctor is doing anything or that she stands for anything, and the lack of character development for Yaz is frustrating, and I just want something more powerful. I want more of the Doctor who forged her own sonic screwdriver out of scraps, but instead we just get the one who told Karl off for tripping up Tim Shaw. And the finale was so underwhelming. I don't need the universe to be in danger in every finale, and I'm fine with not needing several rewatches and a spreadsheet to keep track of what went on in the season, but I would still like more than I got. The episode just didn't do anything, and even forgot to follow through with its interesting elements.

I still felt good while watching the episode and after it. But literally minutes after I'd watched it, I was buying Classic Who DVDs online, and not thinking about the episode anymore. That's not how it's supposed to go.

One of the podcasts I listen to - I think Verity! - summed it up well by saying that S11 was playing too safe. And that it feels like it's got training wheels on.

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Date: 16 December 2018 02:44 pm (UTC)
masakochan: (Elementary - Sherlock - *frown*)
From: [personal profile] masakochan
This has been the first time (since I became a fan back in 2010) that I've still not gotten around to watching the finale yet, and that it's not driving me up and over the mental wall. which... definitely shows how disappointed I've been. Even if I still love the Doctor.

I think I'm mainly just sticking around 'cuz of how gay I am for Thirteen. x]

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Date: 17 December 2018 02:16 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I *want* Thirteen to be wonderful and amazing and her companions to have fabulous depth and for there to be story-arcs and something to sink my teeth into. But there isn't.

No, there really isn't. The only compelling episodes were the Rosa one and the Demons of Punjab, and neither gave us much on the Doctor or other characters, really.

I think there's a problem with the writers -- the overall tone reminds me of the problems I had with Broadchurch -- I liked the first season of Broadchurch, but rapidly lost interest. It just wasn't all that compelling.

Also, there's a lack of humor and fun here. It feels rather forced.

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Date: 17 December 2018 11:33 pm (UTC)
ever_neutral: © me ([dw] anywhere you like)
From: [personal profile] ever_neutral

I'm above all baffled that we just had an entire season of Doctor Who where the Doctor had zero character arc. The Doctor. How do you even write an entire DW season where the Doctor has no arc. ABSOLUTELY MYSTIFYING.

And of course the woman of colour is the companion the writers care least about.

Anyway, I did enjoy several episodes as self-contained specimens, but the season as a whole wasn't even half-baked as a narrative.

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Date: 18 December 2018 08:40 am (UTC)
unfeathered: (Ten eyebrow)
From: [personal profile] unfeathered
Wow, there's a lot there! Very comprehensive. And it's really nice to know I'm not the only one feeling so underwhelmed by the season, even if it's still frustrating to be feeling it. The point these discussions really brought out for me is what I'd been edging towards but hadn't quite reached yet: this season was too safe. Too middle of the road, too passive, never challenging anything or taking any risks. No excitement.

And that's just weird, because if there's one thing I feel DW has never been before, it's safe!


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