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DoWntime has come through again, and how:

BIT OF ADRENALINE, DASH OF OUTRAGE: Our Thoughts on “The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos” and Series 11 Wrap-Up — Part 1/2

BIT OF ADRENALINE, DASH OF OUTRAGE: Our Thoughts on “The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos” and Series 11 Wrap-Up — Part 2/2

(They go through EVERYTHING: the characters, the villain, Themes and Motifs, Diversity and Representation, Marketing, Politics, Ethics and Aesthetics and The Discourse Problem. If you want to know what I think, just read those posts.)

Alternatively, here is the shorter version, as [personal profile] propergoffick put it here (spoilers in post!):

'And you get this Doctor who you know in your soul votes Lib Dem, recycles, and gets properly annoyed about what Nigel Farage said in the paper the other day, but doesn't do anything about huge systemic problems. She fixes the very specific problem in front of her and leaves well alone. J. K. Rowling in space and time.'

ETA: I *want* Thirteen to be wonderful and amazing and her companions to have fabulous depth and for there to be story-arcs and something to sink my teeth into. But there isn't.

In other news, I have almost finished S22 and may write up some thoughts on that! Six is my darling and I luff him to pieces. ♥

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Date: 17 December 2018 02:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I *want* Thirteen to be wonderful and amazing and her companions to have fabulous depth and for there to be story-arcs and something to sink my teeth into. But there isn't.

No, there really isn't. The only compelling episodes were the Rosa one and the Demons of Punjab, and neither gave us much on the Doctor or other characters, really.

I think there's a problem with the writers -- the overall tone reminds me of the problems I had with Broadchurch -- I liked the first season of Broadchurch, but rapidly lost interest. It just wasn't all that compelling.

Also, there's a lack of humor and fun here. It feels rather forced.

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Date: 18 December 2018 01:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowkat
Broadchurch was humorless, cop/small town procedural, delving into the lives of the town-people while investigating a horrible crime. S1 -- a child is murdered -- turns out by his molester. Olivia Coleman is amazing in it by the way, so is Jodi Whittacker as the mother of the murdered boy, Coleman plays a detective -- it's a small-town secrets tale. S2 - They investigate all these missing kids, who got killed. S3 - they investigate a rape. (See - dark stuff. And very angsty. Although it never dives into melodrama.)

Season 1 was really good. S2 was boring -- and drug. Season 3...sigh, only slightly better. He gets VERY issue oriented, and preachy in his writing, and isn't a comedy writer. Also lots of plot holes...not the tightest writer on the planet.

I honestly think he was a bad fit for Doctor Who. Doctor Who requires a writer who can do dramedy, which isn't easy to do, and handle sci-fantasy. Chinbal just feels off to me. Granted, I swung more towards Moffat than Davies -- mainly because I thought Moffat was better at comedy and plotting.

Doctor Who isn't really a hugely character driven series -- you don't have an ensemble cast like Broadchurch. It's more plot driven, with an episodic style. Also the main focus is usually on the Doctor -- companions come and go, so the companions add to his arc, not the other way around.

Chinball is more of a ensemble character driven writer than plot driven writer. He works better with large ensembles, and doesn't like to give much character arc to the leads -- he's not used to a central lead style episodic series. He's used to an ensemble style serial. In Broadchurch -- we got very little on David Tennant's world-weary detective -- at least not until S2, the focus was mainly on the supporting or subsidiary characters. And I'm seeing that happening here as well -- the focus is less on the Doctor, and more on the companions, specifically the character of Graham, which is okay, I guess. But why should I care about Graham?

I have a feeling after about a season or two, we'll get a new Doctor and a new show-runner. Which you can do with Doctor Who rather easily if it doesn't work. I do hope they stay with a female Who for a bit, or if not, an POC Who. I'm sort of tired of the White Guys.
Edited Date: 18 December 2018 01:37 am (UTC)

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Date: 19 December 2018 01:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I don't know, Doctor Who always felt very episodic to me, with some general arcs..sort of like a Monster of the Week, with a over-arching arc in the background.

Keep in mind I watch a lot of pure serials - such as Riverdale, Daredevil, Game of Thrones, Killing Eve, The Good Place,
BSG...huge serial fan. Not really a fan of the old monster of the week episodic series, with a running back story - such as Star Trek, Doctor Who, Buffy (up until approx S5, when the writers decided the heck with this, we suck at stand-a-lone's we're going full serial), Angel (up until S4), NCIS, Bones, etc.

Broadchurch was pure serial. You can't just jump in at any time in a pure serial series. I could jump in at any time for Who.

And while he did do Torchwood -- Torchwood had issues. Children of the Earth -- which I think was done by RT Davies (?) was better plot-wise in my opinion. Torchwood had plot-holes a plenty.

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Date: 19 December 2018 08:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] unfeathered
The thing about Broadchurch being humourless but this not being mentioned... I haven't seen it either so I'm only working on supposition here, but in my experience most British dramas are unrelentingly grim and humourless, to the extent where I mostly avoid them because I *like* some lighthearted relief to bring light and shade to my drama. This may be why no-one mentioned it about Broadchurch, because it's what they expected?


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