So the gremlins have been at the formatting but I loved how this episode took echoes from previous ones and brought them back again. It was fine on the Dreamwidth side, which is why I didn't bother to check LJ. Bloody html.
Eleven: That was a clever lie to save our lives! Razor: It was a clever lie but you see straight through me. SUCH a good use of that line.
I think she is being good for the Doctor. Being good is a role she's playing, just as she plays at being the Doctor for the first 10-15 minutes of the episode. But being good is more than a role. Hmm. Well she is (initially certainly) doing it for him. Anything to stay alive. And she wants her friend back. But even if that was her initial approach, I think it has developed far beyond that...
MISSY: I don't even know why I'm crying. Why? Why do I keep doing that now? DOCTOR: I don't know. Maybe you're trying to impress me. MISSY: Yes. Probably some devious plan. That sounds about right. DOCTOR: The alternative would be much worse. MISSY: Really? DOCTOR: The alternative is that this is for real, and it's time for us to become friends again.
I don't think she understands it. But I think it's real. The cure is working.
Virtue is only virtue in extremis, as River put it. Without hope, without witness, without reward (emphasis mine). Is there any point in her being good if there's nobody there to witness it or reward her? Who does she love more, the Doctor or herself? Here, I think, lies the crux of the matter. The Master has always - always - valued self-preservation above everything else. Which is why I would not be at all surprised if Missy ends up sacrificing herself (presumably to save Bill, it would be the most fitting thing ever, since she was the one who doomed her). Because you can't do a story like this, and then just go 'HAHA SHE WAS EVIL ALL ALONG!' Where would you go from there? I mean, she might do something horrific in order to save people (shades of the War Doctor), but I think we will see a significant change, and that the plot will hinge on HER decision. She will be tempted to go back, but I don't think it's possible anymore.
It's all VERY VERY EXCITING. Moffat has taken the Doctor's 'arc-enemy' and CHANGED HER. Anything is possible. Except going back.
Danny went through pain, of course, but it was emotional and moral pain. His soul was not affected, even when downloaded back into his 'upgraded' body. Good points about Danny, but I don't think Bill's soul was affected either. Souls are, by their very nature, not thus afflicted.
Bill was not so lucky. She had to wait years for the Doctor and then she was forcibly put under and operated on and SHE WAS FULLY CONSCIOUS OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER DEAR GOD- SHE BETTER END UP WITH A LOVELY GIRLFRIEND AND PUPPIES AND SUNSHINE!!
Ashildr/Me? Possibly? The Brig knew them both but would be very insulted if someone had called him a 'friend' of the Master. I mean, Missy doesn't really have many friends (possibly because she keeps killing them off) so Bill does occupy a unique place. I suppose it's possible that Me met the Master, I hadn't even thought of that. But I doubt she'd want to hang out with him. And The Brig would, as you say, be thoroughly offended at the very suggestion of friendship. ;) So yeah, Bill it is. <3
I completely agree and believe that Razor was very fond of Bill, because HOW COULD YOU NOT BE? She's an actual ray of sunshine. He's evil, not heartless. :P Perfectly put! :D
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It was fine on the Dreamwidth side, which is why I didn't bother to check LJ. Bloody html.
Eleven: That was a clever lie to save our lives!
Razor: It was a clever lie but you see straight through me.
SUCH a good use of that line.
I think she is being good for the Doctor. Being good is a role she's playing, just as she plays at being the Doctor for the first 10-15 minutes of the episode. But being good is more than a role.
Hmm. Well she is (initially certainly) doing it for him. Anything to stay alive. And she wants her friend back. But even if that was her initial approach, I think it has developed far beyond that...
MISSY: I don't even know why I'm crying. Why? Why do I keep doing that now?
DOCTOR: I don't know. Maybe you're trying to impress me.
MISSY: Yes. Probably some devious plan. That sounds about right.
DOCTOR: The alternative would be much worse.
MISSY: Really?
DOCTOR: The alternative is that this is for real, and it's time for us to become friends again.
I don't think she understands it. But I think it's real. The cure is working.
Virtue is only virtue in extremis, as River put it. Without hope, without witness, without reward (emphasis mine). Is there any point in her being good if there's nobody there to witness it or reward her? Who does she love more, the Doctor or herself?
Here, I think, lies the crux of the matter. The Master has always - always - valued self-preservation above everything else. Which is why I would not be at all surprised if Missy ends up sacrificing herself (presumably to save Bill, it would be the most fitting thing ever, since she was the one who doomed her). Because you can't do a story like this, and then just go 'HAHA SHE WAS EVIL ALL ALONG!' Where would you go from there? I mean, she might do something horrific in order to save people (shades of the War Doctor), but I think we will see a significant change, and that the plot will hinge on HER decision. She will be tempted to go back, but I don't think it's possible anymore.
It's all VERY VERY EXCITING. Moffat has taken the Doctor's 'arc-enemy' and CHANGED HER. Anything is possible. Except going back.
Danny went through pain, of course, but it was emotional and moral pain. His soul was not affected, even when downloaded back into his 'upgraded' body.
Good points about Danny, but I don't think Bill's soul was affected either. Souls are, by their very nature, not thus afflicted.
Bill was not so lucky. She had to wait years for the Doctor and then she was forcibly put under and operated on and SHE WAS FULLY CONSCIOUS OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER DEAR GOD-
SHE BETTER END UP WITH A LOVELY GIRLFRIEND AND PUPPIES AND SUNSHINE!!
Ashildr/Me? Possibly? The Brig knew them both but would be very insulted if someone had called him a 'friend' of the Master. I mean, Missy doesn't really have many friends (possibly because she keeps killing them off) so Bill does occupy a unique place.
I suppose it's possible that Me met the Master, I hadn't even thought of that. But I doubt she'd want to hang out with him. And The Brig would, as you say, be thoroughly offended at the very suggestion of friendship. ;) So yeah, Bill it is. <3
I completely agree and believe that Razor was very fond of Bill, because HOW COULD YOU NOT BE? She's an actual ray of sunshine. He's evil, not heartless. :P
Perfectly put! :D