Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier--was at work. There are SO MANY OTHER THINGS, that I figured what I had seemed vaguely coherent, so I'd rather discuss all the other stuff in more depth before trying to tackle it. So this is like 'part 1 of ongoing stuff'. ;)
Totally understand the 'well, better post something' impulse, though. And it's all good, what you've got there, but as you say, it does feel incomplete. It got hijacked by politics... If there hadn't been an election happening, I suspect my thoughts would probably have been more coherent.
My sense is very much that Whithouse is there to dissect and understand; not to heal. And I think this episode is attempting the same thing. I'd say the majority of reactions I'm seeing to this episode fall somewhere along a spectrum between disgust and confusion. And the longer I think about it, the more I think that that is intentional. This. Which I think I have sort of expressed, if a lot less coherently. (Brain like syrup.) I shall add a link from the LJ post to this comment.
I suspect that anybody who has watched this episode and come away confused, scared, angry, or feeling in any way resistant or uneasy with our nice happy ending . . . has probably understood the episode perfectly. :D (I *do* like Whithouse.)
You asked me whether I thought Missy could get her own post, and I think mostly yes? Except to the extent that she is serving the portrait of the Doctor's Monk-ish-ness. The Doctor talks about free will while he keeps a woman locked in his basement, trying to bend her to his own moral preferences. Yeah, there is so much there, but it seems... one step removed? Doctor-Clara-Missy was a three-way mirror, but here the Monks are reflections of the Doctor, and Missy is a reflection of the Doctor, and the Doctor is in the middle, but Missy is not reflecting the Monks in that sense.
(So tired. Stupid brain. Stupid worries about politics.)
ETA: Btw check out the fic-comment on the LJ side. You will like. :)
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There are SO MANY OTHER THINGS, that I figured what I had seemed vaguely coherent, so I'd rather discuss all the other stuff in more depth before trying to tackle it. So this is like 'part 1 of ongoing stuff'. ;)
Totally understand the 'well, better post something' impulse, though. And it's all good, what you've got there, but as you say, it does feel incomplete.
It got hijacked by politics... If there hadn't been an election happening, I suspect my thoughts would probably have been more coherent.
My sense is very much that Whithouse is there to dissect and understand; not to heal. And I think this episode is attempting the same thing. I'd say the majority of reactions I'm seeing to this episode fall somewhere along a spectrum between disgust and confusion. And the longer I think about it, the more I think that that is intentional.
This. Which I think I have sort of expressed, if a lot less coherently. (Brain like syrup.) I shall add a link from the LJ post to this comment.
I suspect that anybody who has watched this episode and come away confused, scared, angry, or feeling in any way resistant or uneasy with our nice happy ending . . . has probably understood the episode perfectly.
:D (I *do* like Whithouse.)
You asked me whether I thought Missy could get her own post, and I think mostly yes? Except to the extent that she is serving the portrait of the Doctor's Monk-ish-ness. The Doctor talks about free will while he keeps a woman locked in his basement, trying to bend her to his own moral preferences.
Yeah, there is so much there, but it seems... one step removed? Doctor-Clara-Missy was a three-way mirror, but here the Monks are reflections of the Doctor, and Missy is a reflection of the Doctor, and the Doctor is in the middle, but Missy is not reflecting the Monks in that sense.
(So tired. Stupid brain. Stupid worries about politics.)
ETA: Btw check out the fic-comment on the LJ side. You will like. :)