omg I was not aware of that medley and it is amaaaaaaaazing and I will watch the HELL out of this vid! I love love loved your radioactive vid, and can't wait to see this!! aaaaaah. Thank you *g* I really, really want to do at least one vid after this season is over. At this point, though, I'm not sure if that'll be the one? I've got, like, six that I'm letting marinate and I'll see which one feels like the winner at the end of the season. Right now the front-runner is probably a vid about all the Moff companions and their influence on the Doctor set to Taylor Swift's 'State of Grace.'
I originally thought of the Take Me to Church/Spell on You one because I'd been considering a Doctor vid (with a River focus) set to Take Me to Church when season eight was airing and we seemed to be going hard on church imagery (finally--I'd been waiting). And then it was like Missy crashed the party and suddenly I didn't know what the show was about anymore? And was basically watching in a haze for all of season nine so nothing happened. Then my sister shared that medley with me and it was like ANNIE LENNOX CRASHED THE SONG LIKE MISSY CRASHED THE SHOW. HOW SO PERFECT? So I started planning it out and figured it would be a good way to come to terms with what 7/8/9 were doing. Except by the time we'd gotten even a bit into season 10 I realized 1) the vid was now (probably inevitably) about everything. Stupid show i love you never leave us. And 2) there was no room for Bill in it. Which I would probably regret after the season was over because like hell I'm going to vid a six minute song about all of Moffat Who and leave out the last season.
So yeah. Waiting and seeing.
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Anyway, I've been sifting through a lot of songs and I don't think I've really found anything particularly right, but let me run some stuff by you and you can at least tell me what does and doesn't appeal? Put me on the right track? [ETA: Ooff. This ended up being a lot. Certainly don't expect you to respond to all of this, but like I said, let me know if anything is feeling in the right neighborhood and I'll try to focus.]
On the one hand, I suspect it would be desirable to have something with a long, slow build-up? Like Bolero but with lyrics? (Linking to Torvill and Dean because it's not 17 minutes long. Also because the flow of figure skating reminds me of vids).
'Hidden wells of rage' says to me rap or opera or possibly something playing on one of the two mash-up style, like sounds soft and gentle AND THEN SUDDENLY RAP. OR EPIC ANGRY CHURCH CHOIRS. The thing that came to mind is this from The Matrix. I think probably the sound is all wrong, but I love the cuts between driving club music and the soft piano/orchestral stuff and I could see something like that working?
(I was talking with elisi of the appeal of screechy angst vs. bass-y angst. I am solidly in the latter camp and, given that you co-created 'Howl,' which is still my coping mechanism for dealing with season six, I suspect you are as well, but let me know.)
Anyway, my basic argument for considering rap is beccatoria's Intelligent Design, about Olivia from Fringe. If you've never watched Fringe, Olivia is this deeply passionate yet outwardly extremely controlled person who was experimented on as a child to make her into some kind of supernatural super-soldier, and the vid is about her buried rage over the matter. And, oh, it works beautifully. (This is the other vid that got me through season six. I just decided it's about Olivia and River and then I watch Olivia punch a lot of things.) I don't really know as much rap as I should, but I think it's something to consider.
I bring up opera because another vid in my marination vat is an epic River vid to Casta Diva from the opera Norma. The lyrics and background of the song are actually incredibly appropriate. (Basically Norma is singing a prayer to Athena to prevent a war because she is in love with one of her people's enemies.) But I didn't actually know that when I decided it would make a good vid: I was just listening to those soaring 'crying' sections and seeing River's face in pain and it was like, yes. Anyway, nothing does raw emotion quite like opera, if you can find the right thing, and there is something deeply operatic about Moffat Who. *ponders* Buffy too. The story logic isn't always there, but there are a lot of idiot people with epic feels.
Sia strikes me as a deeply appropriate singer/songwriter for Clara. All that drive. All that fury. That sharp edge. Somehow impeccably controlled and abandoned at the same time. I love the way Broken Glass just keeps going up. And up. And up. And up. Sadly the lyrics don't really work. And most of her other songs start hard and stay there, so not gonna work if you want a build. Something like Chandelier or Bird Set Free works for late-stage Clara/Willow, but not earlier.
Rihanna (who Sia also writes for) also has a tone sometimes that is tempting? I'm thinking particularly about Russian Roulette, but, again, the problem of build.
Watched You Fall has great build (and I love the sense of spinning). Also I think it is actually meant to be about an addiction? But then it really is about two people in a relationship. I could see it working for Clara/Twelve, but not really for something focused specifically on Clara and Willow themselves. (Apologies for the video--there doesn't seem to be an official one.)
Bottom of the River: I epically adore this song. The build is amazing. The base is amazing. The drive is amazing. The rage is amazing. But I think, essentially, it is a song about external pressures, rather than internal.
Best American girl is amazing in its 'sweet good girl breaks into wells of rage.' But, again, lyrics not really right.
Sometime Around Midnight, improbably, reminds me of an opera aria. The build is amazing. And the sense of rising addiction. I almost feel like the emotion of this is right, but the lyrics are so narratively specific, you'd never make them work.
And lastly a bit of a wild card: Chasing Shadows. I love the way I can't decide if it's cheerful or furious? And the (admittedly exceedingly hard to hear) lyrics are kind of amazing? I love especially 'You are here' it says. Well, at least someone knows where I am.
ETA2: apologies for really unforgivable over-use of the word 'amazing.' I'm pretty tired . . .
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Thank you *g* I really, really want to do at least one vid after this season is over. At this point, though, I'm not sure if that'll be the one? I've got, like, six that I'm letting marinate and I'll see which one feels like the winner at the end of the season. Right now the front-runner is probably a vid about all the Moff companions and their influence on the Doctor set to Taylor Swift's 'State of Grace.'
I originally thought of the Take Me to Church/Spell on You one because I'd been considering a Doctor vid (with a River focus) set to Take Me to Church when season eight was airing and we seemed to be going hard on church imagery (finally--I'd been waiting). And then it was like Missy crashed the party and suddenly I didn't know what the show was about anymore? And was basically watching in a haze for all of season nine so nothing happened. Then my sister shared that medley with me and it was like ANNIE LENNOX CRASHED THE SONG LIKE MISSY CRASHED THE SHOW. HOW SO PERFECT? So I started planning it out and figured it would be a good way to come to terms with what 7/8/9 were doing. Except by the time we'd gotten even a bit into season 10 I realized 1) the vid was now (probably inevitably) about everything. Stupid show
i love you never leave us. And 2) there was no room for Bill in it. Which I would probably regret after the season was over because like hell I'm going to vid a six minute song about all of Moffat Who and leave out the last season.So yeah. Waiting and seeing.
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Anyway, I've been sifting through a lot of songs and I don't think I've really found anything particularly right, but let me run some stuff by you and you can at least tell me what does and doesn't appeal? Put me on the right track? [ETA: Ooff. This ended up being a lot. Certainly don't expect you to respond to all of this, but like I said, let me know if anything is feeling in the right neighborhood and I'll try to focus.]
On the one hand, I suspect it would be desirable to have something with a long, slow build-up? Like Bolero but with lyrics? (Linking to Torvill and Dean because it's not 17 minutes long. Also because the flow of figure skating reminds me of vids).
'Hidden wells of rage' says to me rap or opera or possibly something playing on one of the two mash-up style, like sounds soft and gentle AND THEN SUDDENLY RAP. OR EPIC ANGRY CHURCH CHOIRS. The thing that came to mind is this from The Matrix. I think probably the sound is all wrong, but I love the cuts between driving club music and the soft piano/orchestral stuff and I could see something like that working?
(I was talking with elisi of the appeal of screechy angst vs. bass-y angst. I am solidly in the latter camp and, given that you co-created 'Howl,' which is still my coping mechanism for dealing with season six, I suspect you are as well, but let me know.)
Anyway, my basic argument for considering rap is
I bring up opera because another vid in my marination vat is an epic River vid to Casta Diva from the opera Norma. The lyrics and background of the song are actually incredibly appropriate. (Basically Norma is singing a prayer to Athena to prevent a war because she is in love with one of her people's enemies.) But I didn't actually know that when I decided it would make a good vid: I was just listening to those soaring 'crying' sections and seeing River's face in pain and it was like, yes. Anyway, nothing does raw emotion quite like opera, if you can find the right thing, and there is something deeply operatic about Moffat Who. *ponders* Buffy too. The story logic isn't always there, but there are a lot of idiot people with epic feels.
Sia strikes me as a deeply appropriate singer/songwriter for Clara. All that drive. All that fury. That sharp edge. Somehow impeccably controlled and abandoned at the same time. I love the way Broken Glass just keeps going up. And up. And up. And up. Sadly the lyrics don't really work. And most of her other songs start hard and stay there, so not gonna work if you want a build. Something like Chandelier or Bird Set Free works for late-stage Clara/Willow, but not earlier.
Rihanna (who Sia also writes for) also has a tone sometimes that is tempting? I'm thinking particularly about Russian Roulette, but, again, the problem of build.
Watched You Fall has great build (and I love the sense of spinning). Also I think it is actually meant to be about an addiction? But then it really is about two people in a relationship. I could see it working for Clara/Twelve, but not really for something focused specifically on Clara and Willow themselves. (Apologies for the video--there doesn't seem to be an official one.)
Bottom of the River: I epically adore this song. The build is amazing. The base is amazing. The drive is amazing. The rage is amazing. But I think, essentially, it is a song about external pressures, rather than internal.
Best American girl is amazing in its 'sweet good girl breaks into wells of rage.' But, again, lyrics not really right.
Sometime Around Midnight, improbably, reminds me of an opera aria. The build is amazing. And the sense of rising addiction. I almost feel like the emotion of this is right, but the lyrics are so narratively specific, you'd never make them work.
And lastly a bit of a wild card: Chasing Shadows. I love the way I can't decide if it's cheerful or furious? And the (admittedly exceedingly hard to hear) lyrics are kind of amazing? I love especially 'You are here' it says. Well, at least someone knows where I am.
ETA2: apologies for really unforgivable over-use of the word 'amazing.' I'm pretty tired . . .