Brexit & Corbyn

[elisi]

The Last Leg is back!!!! \o/

And they had Jeremy Corbyn on.

This was very very good.

There is a great write up here for those unable to watch.

‘I back Remain because I think the economy is important, and obviously links with Europe are important, I think human rights are important, I think workers’ rights are important,’ he said.

Although I think Johnny Vegas put it best (from memory):

'The Leave Campaign is like someone shouting at their parents: 'I want independence!' and then moving into the garage.'

(He arm wrestled with Right Said Fred over whether or not we should stay or leave.)

Apologies to anyone on my flist who might back Leave, but the rhetoric [of Boris & Farage] sounds Trump-like, and I think it'd leave Britain stranded and alone. Also (from a personal perspective) I have no idea where it'd leave ME as an EU (Danish) citizen living in the UK. And questions like that are the tip of the iceberg. No one knows what would happen with... anything.

And I don't for a second buy the argument about 'Oh, all that money we send to Brussels we could spend it here!'

THIS government? Spending more on the people? Yeah right. /cynical

Comments

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

I've been enjoying HIGNFY on YT...wonder if I can find this one on YT.

Boris is a wanna be Trump. He doesn't seem to have the energy to be such a narcissistic @#$%wad. Though he is boorish and idiotic...so they have that much in common. Farage just seems to be a clueless mess.

*HUGS*

[elisi]

I've been enjoying HIGNFY on YT...wonder if I can find this one on YT.
If you can find it - it's well worth watching!

And Boris... Boris is the worst of posh, rich boys 'club'. He's more erudite than Trump (granted, that's not hard) and cunning. He knows what he's doing. And it's that cynicism which somehow makes it worse. :(

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

Did you see Sir Patrick Stewart's take on the Leave discussions?

[elisi]

Clearly draws on the Monty Python sketch, but excellent, thank you! Hadn't seen it. :)

[ragnarok-08.livejournal.com]

That sounds great :D

[elisi]

It's a fabulous show. :)

[thirteen-ravens.livejournal.com]

If the UK voted out, the Tories definitely wouldn't spend that money on the NHS, etc. They want to sell the NHS off... They'd find a way to give that money to their chums in big business. Austerity would continue...

Yes, there's a lot of crap and hysteria being pedalled by both sides and I feel like I have quite a headache from it!

One thing that does give me pause for thought though is a recent survey held in several different countries -

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/brexit-domino-effect-europe-eu-referendum-uk

"Only 38% of respondents in France said they had a favourable view of the EU, down 17 points from last year. Support for the EU in Spain fell by 16 points to 47%, in Germany by eight points to 50%, and in Britain by seven points to 44%. The EU won most backing in Poland and Hungary, at 72% and 61%."

I am wondering whether a vote for Brexit might set off a chain reaction, with more calls for EU referendums in other countries. If the EU is faced with multiple unhappy countries, it could be forced to review the way it does things, and look for peace, and keeping these countries in, rather than just letting them leave and the EU breaking apart.

It's a gamble vote, though.

My city has a big BMW factory, and a big university that gets a comfortable amount of funding from the EU, it's in my interest for those reasons - the common sense and safety of staying in, and then there's the protest vote, which might spark change, but at great risk. Meh. :o/

Greece is due another 10.3 billion pound bailout in July. Their debt is eye-watering, and the EU offers no solutions to it. :o/

[elisi]

If the UK voted out, the Tories definitely wouldn't spend that money on the NHS, etc. They want to sell the NHS off... They'd find a way to give that money to their chums in big business. Austerity would continue...
This. It's too depressing for words. :(

Yes, there's a lot of crap and hysteria being pedalled by both sides and I feel like I have quite a headache from it!
Same - there's so much scaremongering (on both sides) and so few balanced arguments.

If the EU is faced with multiple unhappy countries, it could be forced to review the way it does things, and look for peace, and keeping these countries in, rather than just letting them leave and the EU breaking apart.
Also, they might want to 'punish' the UK for leaving, making sure others don't follow in our footsteps.

Greece is due another 10.3 billion pound bailout in July. Their debt is eye-watering, and the EU offers no solutions to it. :o/
Yeah, god knows it's not any sort of Utopia. But I try to remember that it was set up, originally, after the second world war, to stop future wars. I think this is an important point, especially now.