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DW 9.09. Sleep No More
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promethia_tenk summed up this episode rather well:
I think it was perfectly good TV. It just wasn't particularly good Doctor Who. And you know what I do with most perfectly good TV? I watch it, go 'ok, that was pretty good,' and then I go about my life and never think about it again.
I think I pretty much agree with this. If you think that’s harsh, then that is, almost, the point of the episode. To quote Phil Sandifer (review here - read it, it's very good):
[…] it certainly feels like a Doctor-lite episode, sharing their structural trick of treating a Doctor Who story as a defined thing happening inside another story. But where those stories put the Doctor into a very different sort of story, here he’s put into a found footage horror film. The result, very cleverly, is a story that gradually unravels into two separate stories, with the Doctor falling out of the narrative instead of slowly overtaking it.
It’s literally Doctor Who ending up in the wrong story. Seeing our heroes ‘from the outside’ to begin with, the amusing arguments about ‘space’ as a pre-fix come across as incredibly jarring. (Funny though! And I liked how that was done very much.) But mostly, ‘Doctor Who’ was not a very good fit with this story – which was neat in its own way, and the ending was clever.
But I really have nothing at all to say about it. Bethany Black was good. (In as much as I could see her.) Quoting Shakespeare is always neat. I’ve been humming Mr Sandman all week.
Mostly my thoughts are: ‘Face the Raven looks AMAZING!!!’
So – bring on Saturday. :)
promethia_tenk summed up this episode rather well:I think it was perfectly good TV. It just wasn't particularly good Doctor Who. And you know what I do with most perfectly good TV? I watch it, go 'ok, that was pretty good,' and then I go about my life and never think about it again.
I think I pretty much agree with this. If you think that’s harsh, then that is, almost, the point of the episode. To quote Phil Sandifer (review here - read it, it's very good):
[…] it certainly feels like a Doctor-lite episode, sharing their structural trick of treating a Doctor Who story as a defined thing happening inside another story. But where those stories put the Doctor into a very different sort of story, here he’s put into a found footage horror film. The result, very cleverly, is a story that gradually unravels into two separate stories, with the Doctor falling out of the narrative instead of slowly overtaking it.
It’s literally Doctor Who ending up in the wrong story. Seeing our heroes ‘from the outside’ to begin with, the amusing arguments about ‘space’ as a pre-fix come across as incredibly jarring. (Funny though! And I liked how that was done very much.) But mostly, ‘Doctor Who’ was not a very good fit with this story – which was neat in its own way, and the ending was clever.
But I really have nothing at all to say about it. Bethany Black was good. (In as much as I could see her.) Quoting Shakespeare is always neat. I’ve been humming Mr Sandman all week.
Mostly my thoughts are: ‘Face the Raven looks AMAZING!!!’
So – bring on Saturday. :)
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Bring on tomorrow.
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Let me be brave...
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I spent most of the ep convinced the whole thing had to be a dream because there was no way the monsters were really going to turn out to be eye crud rather than something psychological.
Yeah, it was just... Well, I guess it was League of Gentlemen Do Doctor Who. But still just odd.
Ah well. Here's to tomorrow!
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But yeah, next episode looks good.
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But yeah, I guess every series gets to have a turkey. C'est la vie.
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Ah well. RAVEN!
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Still thought the monsters were silly and didn't find the explanation gratifying, not the ending really feeling like a proper ending. As the Queen of Improper Endings, I protest the execution. *Grins* Gatiss could have done better here. I love him, but alas, I Am Disappoint.
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NEVERMIND. Tomorrow looks awesome. :)
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Well spoken! I might have a different opinion about whether it was that good television but I agree 100% about the story not being a Doctor Who story. I didn't even write a post about that episode as I usually do, since the most important thing I had to say was: the next episode's trailer looks great! Well, let's all move on, forget about the episode, never watch it again. Face the Raven is coming!
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Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter,
In there stepped a stately raven of the saintly days of yore.
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door -
Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door -
Perched, and sat, and nothing more.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
`Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore -
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
*ahem*
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DUN DUN DUN!
(Anonymous) 2015-11-20 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)[Steven Moffat emerges, grumbling about filming schedules for Sherlock and BBC budgets]"
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Well, it was good for the genre it was... If you like found-footage horror, I'm sure it was excellent.
I didn't even write a post about that episode as I usually do, since the most important thing I had to say was: the next episode's trailer looks great! Well, let's all move on, forget about the episode, never watch it again. Face the Raven is coming!
TONIGHT!!! :D
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Yeah, it was a good idea, but the monsters were so generic that it lost a lot. :(
If you could have taken the Fisher King from BtF/UtL and put that in THIS episode... now that would have been something special.
Hmmm. Not sure he'd have fitted. (Am still deeply miffed that they used THAT name for a bad guy so utterly insignificant.) But yeah - if you combined BtF/UtL and this one, maybe you'd get a decent story.
I would call this episode a 'noble failure' because it didn't work and yet there WERE some good parts.
It had good ideas. Just not enough. And it focussed on the wrong things. AH WELL.
*ahem*
♥ ♥ ♥
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I mostly remember the exchange from Tumblr gifs. And I'll take your word for her wearing heels.
Sorry, really found it hard to concentrate.
Re: DUN DUN DUN!
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No, wait, not that long: "Kill the Moon" was another one, but it wasn't a Gatiss work.
You did not like Kill the Moon? 'Twas amazing!!! (See - everyone has a different opinion on everything.)
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I was a little underwhelmed by this episode. Besides Peter's performance, I didn't find it that memorable.
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*shrugs*
There's always one that doesn't work.
But TONIGHT! :D
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And, no, I did not like Kill the Moon. I found that its written structure was unbalanced, its theme was both unpleasantly, leadenly anvilicious and annoyingly absent, if two such things could exist in the same writing.
Again, it was a case, for me - and I always try to put those two words in what I say, because I understand that people, often those who have a much clearer eye and mind than I do, will differ - of Gatiss taking some fascinating concepts and, instead of weaving them into the tapestry of the episode, haphazardly tying or gluing a thread here and there on the canvas of a painting, thereby wasting them.
He just doesn't seem to do structure well unless he's writing specifically comedic plots, or at least that's how it seems to me.
And this is why, when it comes to episodes I don't care for, I come afterward to your pieces on those episodes. Often, you'll open a door for me to step through and find at least one thing to appreciate in them.
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LOL. Um, yeah, that's not a bad description. Yet some of them - like, say, The Crimson Horror, are just delightful. <3
And, no, I did not like Kill the Moon. I found that its written structure was unbalanced, its theme was both unpleasantly, leadenly anvilicious and annoyingly absent, if two such things could exist in the same writing.
Huh. I went back to my own review, and yes, you didn't like it... Well, if you feel like reading something else about it (only IF - don't feel obliged, although I always want to try to get people to like things... *g*), I don't know if you read Phil Sandifer's review. And a week and a half ago Jane posted Genre Competition (Kill the Moon), which I loved. (Also talks about the zygon episodes.)
And this is why, when it comes to episodes I don't care for, I come afterward to your pieces on those episodes. Often, you'll open a door for me to step through and find at least one thing to appreciate in them.
♥ /is actual Pollyanna
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Something about dream monsters would have been nice. Or exploring the implications of the society. Or SOMETHING.
Big Bad Villain wouldn't have gone amiss though, I'll give you that.
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If the Doctor hadn't asked Clara to hold his hand, I wouldn't have notice the hand-hold running. The con's outnumber the pro's in my opinion.
At least there's Rigsy to look forward to.:)
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By the way, did you know that Peter Capaldi is currently in the same country as me?!.:)
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And lucky you! :)
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Peter did an interview on "The Project". You can see it on their Facebook page. Although I was disappointed that the reporters only asked him about "weird fan" moments. I don't think they knew Peter's an old who fanboy himself. He took it well though.
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