elisi: (Spike DD by ruuger (NOT sharable!))
Serendipity is a funny thing...

This whole Joss mess has come along exactly as I decided to finally delve back into the AtS 'verse and finish a WIP I abandoned years ago. (As it happens, it's the only fic I've ever properly planned out, so I found my extensive notes and actually know where the story is going!)

Now, before beginning to write I figured I should probably watch a few episodes, just to make sure I had their voices right in my head; so I watched A Hole in the World and Shells. And it's a fascinating exercise in doublethink (doubleview?).

Like, I love the 'verse. I love the characters. I love the story. I will always be grateful to Joss & co for creating this world.

But there is also the fact that (the very very special) Fred has SIX men standing around her bedside. All of them going to go out and try to SAVE her. (See subject line...)

As you know, the only other women (still standing) in the extended cast are Harmony (who is delightful, but mostly comic relief) and Eve, who is very powerful yet lost all agency the second she lost her boyfriend. ETA: Oh and there's Nina too. I like Nina. It's sad her role never extends beyond Being The Girlfriend.

The interesting thing is that the same week my girls decided to watch [the new movie version of] Les Mis.

And it was exactly the same thing:

- Men make things happen.

- Women have things happen to them.

This is why Buffy (and Wonder Woman, Rey, et al) are so special. They make things happen.

(Possibly more musings later, but this is a pretty well-trodden path, and I'm preaching to the choir...)


Also I'm realising this is probably a pretty awful way to try to get people to read my 'Spike & Angel & Illyria go on an epic quest to undo the power of W&H' story, as it's rather male-centric. AH WELL. It's not like LJ is teeming with people reading AtS fic anymore. Although I should probably point out that there's a good deal of Buffy & her Slayer army in it too...

For those who want to try (and the lovely handful which read the first few chapters back in 2013 when I started posting and might want to have another look), you can find the fic here (well, the first 7 chapters):

Divided Destiny

More chapters coming soon! :D (*crickets*)
elisi: (Angel)
From a recent interview:

"The hardest [to write] was always Angel. How to make a decent, handsome, stalwart hero interesting -- tough."
Joss

I'm beginning to think that this comment was not meant ironically. Which would explain a lot...
elisi: (Angel)
From a recent interview:

"The hardest [to write] was always Angel. How to make a decent, handsome, stalwart hero interesting -- tough."
Joss

I'm beginning to think that this comment was not meant ironically. Which would explain a lot...
elisi: (sell my children by eyesthatslay)
The Cherub hasn't really got the hang of jokes yet. Especially not 'Knock, knock' ones, which she keeps making up... Here's an example from last night:

Cherub: Knock, knock!
Other family member (sighing): Who's there?
Cherub: The pizza man!
Other family member (giving in to the inevitable): The pizza man who?
Cherub: The pizza man who knows what's on your list!
[beat, as everyone looks around at each other trying to work out what on EARTH she's thinking]
Miss M: Well she is factually correct...

~~~

Also, the girls spent a good long time watching Young Dracula on CBBC yesterday (new TV series) and this morning (there was a marathon thing). And despite everything, I must give Joss credit where credit's due: Slayers are girls, these days. It's deeply embedded in our culture now, and for that I will always be grateful.
elisi: (sell my children by eyesthatslay)
The Cherub hasn't really got the hang of jokes yet. Especially not 'Knock, knock' ones, which she keeps making up... Here's an example from last night:

Cherub: Knock, knock!
Other family member (sighing): Who's there?
Cherub: The pizza man!
Other family member (giving in to the inevitable): The pizza man who?
Cherub: The pizza man who knows what's on your list!
[beat, as everyone looks around at each other trying to work out what on EARTH she's thinking]
Miss M: Well she is factually correct...

~~~

Also, the girls spent a good long time watching Young Dracula on CBBC yesterday (new TV series) and this morning (there was a marathon thing). And despite everything, I must give Joss credit where credit's due: Slayers are girls, these days. It's deeply embedded in our culture now, and for that I will always be grateful.
elisi: (Birthday Spike by kathyh (not sharable))
I am HOPELESS at birthdays at the moment, sorry. (Hopeless at LJ mostly, full stop.) Anyway.

Happy Belated Birthday to [livejournal.com profile] aycheb, [livejournal.com profile] sweet_ali and [livejournal.com profile] spikes_heart! And a Happy Birthday today to the fabuslous [livejournal.com profile] sdwolfpup! *sends hugs out in all directions*

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Secondly, there's this: Whedonistas: A Celebration of the Worlds of Joss Whedon by the Women Who Love Them.



In Whedonistas, a host of award-winning female writers and fans come together to celebrate the works of Joss Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog). By discussing the impact of Whedon's work, their involvement with his shows' fandoms and why they adore the worlds he's created, these essayists aim to misbehave in Whedon's rich, fantastical worlds.

Essay topics include Sharon Shinn (""Samaria"" series) and Emma Bull (Territory) elaborating on the perfection of Firefly, Jeanne Stein (the Anna Strong Chronicles) revealing Buffy's influence on Anna Strong, and Nancy Holder (October Rain, The Watcher's Guide) relating on-the-set tales of Spike menacing her baby daughter while Riley made her hot chocolate.

Other contributors include Seanan McGuire (October Daye series), Elizabeth Bear (Chill), Catherynne M. Valente (Palimpsest), Maria Lima (Blood Lines), Jackie Kessler (Black and White), Mariah Huehner (IDW Comics), Sarah Monette (Corambis), and Lyda Morehouse (AngeLINK Series). Also featured is an exclusive interview with television writer and producer Jane Espenson


Edited by Lynne M. Thomas and Deborah Stanish. Available for sale March 15, 2011. [Amazon] [Barnes & Noble]

(It's a Chicks Who Dig Timelords for Joss-fans! \o/)
elisi: (Birthday Spike by kathyh (not sharable))
I am HOPELESS at birthdays at the moment, sorry. (Hopeless at LJ mostly, full stop.) Anyway.

Happy Belated Birthday to [livejournal.com profile] aycheb, [livejournal.com profile] sweet_ali and [livejournal.com profile] spikes_heart! And a Happy Birthday today to the fabuslous [livejournal.com profile] sdwolfpup! *sends hugs out in all directions*

~~~~~~

Secondly, there's this: Whedonistas: A Celebration of the Worlds of Joss Whedon by the Women Who Love Them.



In Whedonistas, a host of award-winning female writers and fans come together to celebrate the works of Joss Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog). By discussing the impact of Whedon's work, their involvement with his shows' fandoms and why they adore the worlds he's created, these essayists aim to misbehave in Whedon's rich, fantastical worlds.

Essay topics include Sharon Shinn (""Samaria"" series) and Emma Bull (Territory) elaborating on the perfection of Firefly, Jeanne Stein (the Anna Strong Chronicles) revealing Buffy's influence on Anna Strong, and Nancy Holder (October Rain, The Watcher's Guide) relating on-the-set tales of Spike menacing her baby daughter while Riley made her hot chocolate.

Other contributors include Seanan McGuire (October Daye series), Elizabeth Bear (Chill), Catherynne M. Valente (Palimpsest), Maria Lima (Blood Lines), Jackie Kessler (Black and White), Mariah Huehner (IDW Comics), Sarah Monette (Corambis), and Lyda Morehouse (AngeLINK Series). Also featured is an exclusive interview with television writer and producer Jane Espenson


Edited by Lynne M. Thomas and Deborah Stanish. Available for sale March 15, 2011. [Amazon] [Barnes & Noble]

(It's a Chicks Who Dig Timelords for Joss-fans! \o/)
elisi: (Xacula by beer_good_foamy)
Via this page of Joss Whedon quotes:

It’s better to be a spy in the house of love, you know ? . . . If I made ‘Buffy the Lesbian Separatist,’ a series of lectures on PBS on why there should be feminism, no one would be coming to the party, and it would be boring. The idea of changing culture is important to me, and it can only be done in a popular medium.

On the whole, I'd greatly have preferred the lectures.

ETA: Since I'm here, this vid is very, very good at showing the problematic nature of some of Joss' work:

My Medea by [livejournal.com profile] yunitsa. Many thanks to [livejournal.com profile] rm for helping me find it again.
elisi: (Xacula by beer_good_foamy)
Via this page of Joss Whedon quotes:

It’s better to be a spy in the house of love, you know ? . . . If I made ‘Buffy the Lesbian Separatist,’ a series of lectures on PBS on why there should be feminism, no one would be coming to the party, and it would be boring. The idea of changing culture is important to me, and it can only be done in a popular medium.

On the whole, I'd greatly have preferred the lectures.

ETA: Since I'm here, this vid is very, very good at showing the problematic nature of some of Joss' work:

My Medea by [livejournal.com profile] yunitsa. Many thanks to [livejournal.com profile] rm for helping me find it again.
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Some thoughts that have been in my mind recently, partly inspired by this interview with RTD. (MAJOR spoilers for Day 4 of CoE!!!!)

No spoilers, just cut to save your flist. )

ETA: Spoilers in comments.
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Some thoughts that have been in my mind recently, partly inspired by this interview with RTD. (MAJOR spoilers for Day 4 of CoE!!!!)

No spoilers, just cut to save your flist. )

ETA: Spoilers in comments.
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
HERE is Joss and Jo Chen's 3 page 'epic' story that he promised would settle the Bangel/Spuffy conundrum for good... And I can't stop grinning like a loon.

Oh Joss, I do love you still. *fangirls*

ETA: It also totally confirms my theory that Spoilers! )
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
HERE is Joss and Jo Chen's 3 page 'epic' story that he promised would settle the Bangel/Spuffy conundrum for good... And I can't stop grinning like a loon.

Oh Joss, I do love you still. *fangirls*

ETA: It also totally confirms my theory that Spoilers! )
elisi: (Oh wow! by eyesthatslay)
This is one of the best things I've read in a long time:

It has to be said: the Andrew scene in "The Girl in Question" was a victim of me dropping the ball. I specifically said there should be a party of men AND women, all glamorous and Italian, waiting for Andrew. I wasn't there when it was shot, and didn't have the time/money/energy to change it after the fact, though it made me crazy.

Andrew's sexuality is always on the cusp of self-awareness because Andrew is stunted emotionally and because it's hilarious.

[Side-note: The "people change" thing is a hold-over from the fact that the scene was originally written for Dawn (but Michelle turned us down). The idea was, there's little Dawn, then in the last scene there's hot grown-up Dawn going out on the town, a heavy visual support of people changing (since Spike and Angel always see her as older brothers do). But Tommy made it his own, 'cause he's Tommy.]

Oh, and speaking of Tommy, re: Buckaroo? Perfect Tommy was probably gay. How the girls did squeal, but that wonderful matching shirt and vest? Yeah. One man's opinion.
joss

***

Also Happy Birthday to [livejournal.com profile] morgantree! Hope you're having a wonderful day! ::hugs::

***

And finally, I posted my review of AtF 3 over on [livejournal.com profile] angel6_atf!
elisi: (Oh wow! by eyesthatslay)
This is one of the best things I've read in a long time:

It has to be said: the Andrew scene in "The Girl in Question" was a victim of me dropping the ball. I specifically said there should be a party of men AND women, all glamorous and Italian, waiting for Andrew. I wasn't there when it was shot, and didn't have the time/money/energy to change it after the fact, though it made me crazy.

Andrew's sexuality is always on the cusp of self-awareness because Andrew is stunted emotionally and because it's hilarious.

[Side-note: The "people change" thing is a hold-over from the fact that the scene was originally written for Dawn (but Michelle turned us down). The idea was, there's little Dawn, then in the last scene there's hot grown-up Dawn going out on the town, a heavy visual support of people changing (since Spike and Angel always see her as older brothers do). But Tommy made it his own, 'cause he's Tommy.]

Oh, and speaking of Tommy, re: Buckaroo? Perfect Tommy was probably gay. How the girls did squeal, but that wonderful matching shirt and vest? Yeah. One man's opinion.
joss

***

Also Happy Birthday to [livejournal.com profile] morgantree! Hope you're having a wonderful day! ::hugs::

***

And finally, I posted my review of AtF 3 over on [livejournal.com profile] angel6_atf!
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Woke up to the very good news about Joss returning to TV with Eliza. (E Online, Ausellio, TV week). It's like a miracle! I mean listen to this:

“The show was pretty much fully formed,” Whedon says. “I wrote a synopsis, treatment, pilot episode and six suggested future episodes. I made a poster in PhotoShop because I couldn’t sleep.”

That's our Joss! (*quietly shoves S8 under a nearby piece of furniture*) ('After The Fall' can be Lynch's, kthnx?)

ETA: Also the title (Dollhouse) is of course making me wonder about Ibsen refences (The wikipedia entry for 'A Doll's House' in case you're unfamiliar with it.)

And then of course I am also squeeing muchly because [livejournal.com profile] lillianmorgan (!!!!!!!) is coming to visit me this weekend! *bounces* I've not mentioned it before, since I didn't want to jinx anything, but I'm finally beginning to allow myself to believe it.

That also means that I have to run away again and attempt to make the house presentable. You wouldn't *believe* how quickly it all get messy. ::sigh::

Anyway, have a lovely day all of you! *hugs*
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Woke up to the very good news about Joss returning to TV with Eliza. (E Online, Ausellio, TV week). It's like a miracle! I mean listen to this:

“The show was pretty much fully formed,” Whedon says. “I wrote a synopsis, treatment, pilot episode and six suggested future episodes. I made a poster in PhotoShop because I couldn’t sleep.”

That's our Joss! (*quietly shoves S8 under a nearby piece of furniture*) ('After The Fall' can be Lynch's, kthnx?)

ETA: Also the title (Dollhouse) is of course making me wonder about Ibsen refences (The wikipedia entry for 'A Doll's House' in case you're unfamiliar with it.)

And then of course I am also squeeing muchly because [livejournal.com profile] lillianmorgan (!!!!!!!) is coming to visit me this weekend! *bounces* I've not mentioned it before, since I didn't want to jinx anything, but I'm finally beginning to allow myself to believe it.

That also means that I have to run away again and attempt to make the house presentable. You wouldn't *believe* how quickly it all get messy. ::sigh::

Anyway, have a lovely day all of you! *hugs*
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Joss posted a call to arms on Whedonesque yesterday: Let's Watch A Girl Get Beaten To Death. A snippet:

What is wrong with women?

I mean wrong. Physically. Spiritually. Something unnatural, something destructive, something that needs to be corrected.

How did more than half the people in the world come out incorrectly? I have spent a good part of my life trying to do that math, and I’m no closer to a viable equation. And I have yet to find a culture that doesn’t buy into it. Women’s inferiority – in fact, their malevolence -- is as ingrained in American popular culture as it is anywhere they’re sporting burkhas. I find it in movies, I hear it in the jokes of colleagues, I see it plastered on billboards, and not just the ones for horror movies. Women are weak. Women are manipulative. Women are somehow morally unfinished. (Objectification: another tangential rant avoided.) And the logical extension of this line of thinking is that women are, at the very least, expendable.

[snip]

It’s safe to say that I’ve snapped. That something broke, like one of those robots you can conquer with a logical conundrum. All my life I’ve looked at this faulty equation, trying to understand, and I’ve shorted out. I don’t pretend to be a great guy; I know really really well about objectification, trust me. And I’m not for a second going down the “women are saints” route – that just leads to more stone-throwing (and occasional Joan-burning). I just think there is the staggering imbalance in the world that we all just take for granted. If we were all told the sky was evil, or at best a little embarrassing, and we ought not look at it, wouldn’t that tradition eventually fall apart? (I was going to use ‘trees’ as my example, but at the rate we’re getting rid of them I’m pretty sure we really do think they’re evil. See how all rants become one?)



Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] germaine_pet for the link.

What's wrong with the world? Can we fix it?

ETA: Also, in case you never saw it:

Joss' Equality Now speech: "Why do you write such strong women characters?"
elisi: (Buffy's real father by tis_nat)
Joss posted a call to arms on Whedonesque yesterday: Let's Watch A Girl Get Beaten To Death. A snippet:

What is wrong with women?

I mean wrong. Physically. Spiritually. Something unnatural, something destructive, something that needs to be corrected.

How did more than half the people in the world come out incorrectly? I have spent a good part of my life trying to do that math, and I’m no closer to a viable equation. And I have yet to find a culture that doesn’t buy into it. Women’s inferiority – in fact, their malevolence -- is as ingrained in American popular culture as it is anywhere they’re sporting burkhas. I find it in movies, I hear it in the jokes of colleagues, I see it plastered on billboards, and not just the ones for horror movies. Women are weak. Women are manipulative. Women are somehow morally unfinished. (Objectification: another tangential rant avoided.) And the logical extension of this line of thinking is that women are, at the very least, expendable.

[snip]

It’s safe to say that I’ve snapped. That something broke, like one of those robots you can conquer with a logical conundrum. All my life I’ve looked at this faulty equation, trying to understand, and I’ve shorted out. I don’t pretend to be a great guy; I know really really well about objectification, trust me. And I’m not for a second going down the “women are saints” route – that just leads to more stone-throwing (and occasional Joan-burning). I just think there is the staggering imbalance in the world that we all just take for granted. If we were all told the sky was evil, or at best a little embarrassing, and we ought not look at it, wouldn’t that tradition eventually fall apart? (I was going to use ‘trees’ as my example, but at the rate we’re getting rid of them I’m pretty sure we really do think they’re evil. See how all rants become one?)



Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] germaine_pet for the link.

What's wrong with the world? Can we fix it?

ETA: Also, in case you never saw it:

Joss' Equality Now speech: "Why do you write such strong women characters?"
elisi: (Not Fade Away by amavel_bel.)
bookworm posted this in AOQ's 'final thoughts' thread. I'd never read it before so I thought I'd share:

The ats-special edition (only available in R2) comes with a similar letter by Joss as does the Chosen collection; his final thoughts or something; I thought I'll post it as a completist...


"And she'll have a love interest, a mysterious stranger named Angel who turns out to be a vampire! But a vampire with a *soul*, cursed to walk the night in eternal remorse for his evil deeds..."

No wait. That's way too cheesy. Nobody will ever buy that.

Such were my thoughts as I developed the TV show "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." I knew Angel wouldn't (forgive me the pun) fly. I was frantic. And then something wonderful happened.

I totally didn't come up with anything better.

So this guy was born, and not only did people buy him, they loved him. *I* loved him, at least 76 % platonically. I loved him enough to create, with my partner in crime David Greenwalt, his own show. "Angel". And then it got weird. Well weirder.

The thing is, "Buffy" was a simple premise that developed into a complex show. "Angel" was not a simple premise, not for guys like Dave and me. We couldn't just have a noble, handsome, dark hero rush in and save various days. We tried. That ain't life. We found that "Angel" needed to be a show about our darkest journeys, not unlike Buffy except that Buffy had a grounding: she had a destiny, an arc, a posse. We knew where she had to go. We had NO IDEA where Angel had to go. And so he went everywhere, anywhere: up down, good, bad, left, farther left... off the edge of the world and home for supper and the thing is, it ended up being as much more about our own lives than Buffy was. We weren't 'chosen' (not for sports, anyway). We had no destiny. We lived on the edge of chaos, personally, narratively... even as Angel surrounded himself with more and more of a family (and we found more and more wonderful actors for David Boreanaz to play against), that central core of warmth and safety that Buffy enjoyed was missing. The result is before you in toto: The long, strange trip that is five years in the life a vampire. Not long enough, I would argue, but plenty with the strange. For your listy goodness, a few of the moments herein that made my life worth living:

--Angel locking a roomful of lawyers in with two peckish vampire gals.
--Buffy swearing never to forget her time with Angel, right before she does.
--Faith in the rain, begging Angel to kill her.
--Princess Cordelia.
--Darla's horrified accusation: "While Spike - SPIKE - was out killing a Slayer, you were busy saving Missionaries!... From *me*. (True emotional Vampire logic, courtesy of Tim Minear.)
--Lilah dressing up like Fred to seduce Wesley. (Gentlemen, start your therapists!)
--Any and all karaoke.
--Fred and Wesley, deeply drunk.
--Gunn in the White Room, meeting his match.
--The biggest, bloodiest and most personal Spike/Angel fight we've ever shot.
--The silliest, most pointless Spike/Angel argument we've ever shot.
--Dude, *puppets!*

With no star to guide us, we sailed into waters filled with dragons and mermaids and a few really impressive icebergs. We made some of our most compelling television, reinventing season by season, show by show, moment to moment. This is our odd little odyssey, and no, we never did reach the shores of safety, but that's sort of the point. We don't go through the Hell of existence - the pain, the drama, the meaninlessness and confusion - because it's safe, or simple, or will end happily now or ever after. We do it because nobody ever came up with anything better.

So enjoy it. I did.

Joss Whedon

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