elisi: (Poetry)
Alternative title: Why Moffat Who is Poetry

Welcome to the meta café! Although this time it's more The Poetry Café (not that there's ever much difference). What I mean is, this post is like a follow-up to The Hollow Men and will be formatted in a similar way: I.e. first up is the poem/imagery, which will then be followed by lengthy, complex and in-depth notes. No really, this is enormous. (I will also write a more regular meta post later, with all the stuff that does not fit into this very specific reading.) Also, although this meta mostly centers on The Doctor Falls, it meanders through a lot of S10, and even further back. And as always, Promethia owns at least half of this.

But first, here is the second half of the fifth and final part of T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land, as filtered through Moffat Who:



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PART V. WHAT THE THUNDER SAID )
elisi: (Clara)
Cautiously opens the door to the meta café a tiny bit...

I have been saying for years now that Moffat has been re-booting the show… Here is how he did it.

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elisi: (My Ianto Jones)
Before we start - icon is in honour of [livejournal.com profile] sam_storyteller’s Trying to Communicate, because alien LOLcats stand for everything that was right and good about old!Torchwood, and because I has an Ianto and I loves him very much. ♥ (If you, for any reason, dislike my teaboy, just move right past. There’s probably not much for you here.) ETA: Had [livejournal.com profile] kathyh make me a new Ianto icon. *pets it*

Disclaimer: I have nothing against Miracle Day, and find it perfectly nice viewing. But the old show is what had my heart, and that's what I'm focussing on here.

Here be spoilers )
elisi: (I has a Yanto by bluejeans07)
Before we start - icon is in honour of [livejournal.com profile] sam_storyteller’s Trying to Communicate, because alien LOLcats stand for everything that was right and good about old!Torchwood, and because I has an Ianto and I loves him very much. ♥ (If you, for any reason, dislike my teaboy, just move right past. There’s probably not much for you here.)

Disclaimer: I have nothing against Miracle Day, and find it perfectly nice viewing. But the old show is what had my heart, and that's what I'm focussing on here.

Here be spoilers )
elisi: (Busy by famira)
[personal profile] topaz_eyes and I were having a v. interesting conversation on [personal profile] solitary_summer’s LJ, but when she posted the following I realised I needed to make a post, because even just thinking about the answer I knew it’d fill up about 4 comment boxes. (It ended up around 8000 words!) Plus it was wildly off topic for the post it was in…

Because this post is all about Ten and Eleven and power. (And related topics, such as their place in the universe and whether this has changed with a new head writer and how god-like they are etc. Did I mention that I ramble?)

Disclaimer: Whenever I compare something, I’m not saying that one is better than the other. I love Ten HUGELY, and wouldn’t want him any different, and ditto for Eleven. Nor am I saying that I am right, just that this is how I see things, and I love how the character of the Doctor has grown and changed. Same man, different time. That’s the key for me. (Gorgeous, gorgeous banner made for me by [personal profile] kathyh - because I wanted those words illustrated, and she then distracted me hugely with Teh Pretty... Also thanks to [profile] owlsie for the podcast, and (since we share a brain) about half of this belongs to [personal profile] promethia_tenk. Don't ask me which half though.)

Spoilers for all of S5 and the Christmas Special )
elisi: (Time(Lords) can be rewritten by kathyh)
[livejournal.com profile] topaz_eyes and I were having a v. interesting conversation on [livejournal.com profile] solitary_summer’s LJ, but when she posted the following comment I realised I needed to make a post, because even just thinking about the answer I knew it’d fill up about 4 comment boxes. (It ended up around 8000 words, in the end. Approximately.) Plus it was wildly off topic for the post it was in…

Because this post is all about Ten and Eleven and power. (And related topics, such as their place in the universe and whether this has changed with a new head writer and how god-like they are etc. Did I mention that I ramble?)

Disclaimer: Whenever I compare something, I’m not saying that one is better than the other. I love Ten HUGELY, and wouldn’t want him any different, and ditto for Eleven. Nor am I saying that I am right, just that this is how I see things, and I love how the character of the Doctor has grown and changed. Same man, different time. That’s the key for me. (Gorgeous, gorgeous banner made for me by [livejournal.com profile] kathyh - because I wanted those words illustrated, and she then distracted me hugely with Teh Pretty... Also thanks to [livejournal.com profile] owlsie for the podcast, and (since we share a brain) about half of this belongs to [livejournal.com profile] promethia_tenk. Don't ask me which half though.)

Spoilers for all of S5 and the Christmas Special )
elisi: (Time(Lords) can be rewritten by kathyh)
[livejournal.com profile] topaz_eyes and I were having a v. interesting conversation on [livejournal.com profile] solitary_summer’s LJ, but when she posted the following comment I realised I needed to make a post, because even just thinking about the answer I knew it’d fill up about 4 comment boxes. (It ended up around 8000 words, in the end. Approximately.) Plus it was wildly off topic for the post it was in…

Because this post is all about Ten and Eleven and power. (And related topics, such as their place in the universe and whether this has changed with a new head writer and how god-like they are etc. Did I mention that I ramble?)

Disclaimer: Whenever I compare something, I’m not saying that one is better than the other. I love Ten HUGELY, and wouldn’t want him any different, and ditto for Eleven. Nor am I saying that I am right, just that this is how I see things, and I love how the character of the Doctor has grown and changed. Same man, different time. That’s the key for me. (Gorgeous, gorgeous banner made for me by [livejournal.com profile] kathyh - because I wanted those words illustrated, and she then distracted me hugely with Teh Pretty... Also thanks to [livejournal.com profile] owlsie for the podcast, and (since we share a brain) about half of this belongs to [livejournal.com profile] promethia_tenk. Don't ask me which half though.)

Spoilers for all of S5 and the Christmas Special )
elisi: (Doctor (Not Human) by renestarko)
Now I’m calling this an ‘essay’ although really it’s more a series of interconnected lines of thought or... something. Inspired by ‘Marble House’ (It’s all [livejournal.com profile] hollywoodgrrl’s fault!!!), it focusses on the Doctor - who he is, what he is, what he can and can’t and won’t do, and why. And how these issues are in many ways illuminated by John Smith and the two-part episode he features in.

There are no definitive answers here, I’m just poking around in this utterly fascinating character, turning him around and looking at the different facets. It feels horribly disjointed to me, but I’ve been fiddling with it for weeks now and I’m getting fed up of re-writing.

(Btw you need to have watched Handlebars and Marble House, otherwise a lot of this will probably make no sense. Because they are brilliant and shocking in ways that words can't do justice.)

Spoilers up to and including 4.13 (Journey’s End). No spoilers for CoE. (Although I'm sure they'll show up in comments.) Mostly deals with Ten, obviously, and written before Waters of Mars aired.

DW Essay: Time Lord Nature. )
elisi: (Doctor (Not Human) by renestarko)
Now I’m calling this an ‘essay’ although really it’s more a series of interconnected lines of thought or... something. Inspired by ‘Marble House’ (It’s all [livejournal.com profile] hollywoodgrrl’s fault!!!), it focusses on the Doctor - who he is, what he is, what he can and can’t and won’t do, and why. And how these issues are in many ways illuminated by John Smith and the two-part episode he features in.

There are no definitive answers here, I’m just poking around in this utterly fascinating character, turning him around and looking at the different facets. It feels horribly disjointed to me, but I’ve been fiddling with it for weeks now and I’m getting fed up of re-writing.

(Btw you need to have watched Handlebars and Marble House, otherwise a lot of this will probably make no sense. Because they are brilliant and shocking in ways that words can't do justice.)

Spoilers up to and including 4.13 (Journey’s End). No spoilers for CoE. (Although I'm sure they'll show up in comments.) Mostly deals with Ten, obviously, and written before Waters of Mars aired.

DW Essay: Time Lord Nature. )
elisi: (Writing is hard! by missmurchison)
This is an essay about fanfic definitions (or something), and came about because of this discussion with [livejournal.com profile] stormwreath. Meta began eating my head, so I figured I might as well just get it down and over with. This stuff has probably been said a million times by people more eloquent than I, but there you go. These are my thoughts. (Kinda short and written down in a morning, but I think I manage to put my main points across.)

Read more... )

Please discuss, but I might not join in, OK? Am horribly busy and shouldn't be here!
elisi: (Writing is hard! by missmurchison)
This is an essay about fanfic definitions (or something), and came about because of this discussion with [livejournal.com profile] stormwreath. Meta began eating my head, so I figured I might as well just get it down and over with. This stuff has probably been said a million times by people more eloquent than I, but there you go. These are my thoughts. (Kinda short and written down in a morning, but I think I manage to put my main points across.)

Read more... )

Please discuss, but I might not join in, OK? Am horribly busy and shouldn't be here!
elisi: (Spike: Asylum by kathyh)
This was supposed to be a quick run-through a la my review of ‘Shadow Puppets’, with a few thoughts re. Spike’s arc (and Beck) at the end. And then... meta ate my head. Again. So... it’s kinda long. And I’m not sure I’m actually saying anything original. But I had to write it, so there you go.

Also it’ll be interesting to see how many people reply... I’m not entirely sure how many people have read ‘Asylum’, but it can’t be more than a handful. Ah well, enjoy! *g*

Many, many spoilers for ‘Spike: Asylum’ - seriously, don’t click the tag if you haven’t read it. To remedy that, just buy it (it’s only a tenner on amazon) and if you hate it you can always flog it on Ebay...

Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers! )
elisi: (Spike: Asylum by kathyh)
This was supposed to be a quick run-through a la my review of ‘Shadow Puppets’, with a few thoughts re. Spike’s arc (and Beck) at the end. And then... meta ate my head. Again. So... it’s kinda long. And I’m not sure I’m actually saying anything original. But I had to write it, so there you go.

Also it’ll be interesting to see how many people reply... I’m not entirely sure how many people have read ‘Asylum’, but it can’t be more than a handful. Ah well, enjoy! *g*

Many, many spoilers for ‘Spike: Asylum’ - seriously, don’t click the tag if you haven’t read it. To remedy that, just buy it (it’s only a tenner on amazon) and if you hate it you can always flog it on Ebay...

Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers! )
elisi: (Vampire bonds by amavel_bel.)
Some people say that Spike had no reason for being on AtS, except as a tool for the executives to up the ratings. This never made sense to me, and the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. Sure Spike was part of the reason AtS got another season, but I cannot think of a single character in the entire ‘verse who’d be more suited to AtS in every way. I will even go so far as to say that he makes *more* sense on AtS than on BtVS. On Buffy he stuck around because he loved Buffy - that was his connection. Without that (in S4) it was hard to see where he fitted in. Because Buffy is very different to Angel:

BtVS is about Buffy and The Scoobies. It is about a young girl/woman and her friends... and by extension any lovers. When in S5 family becomes an overriding theme the writers had to add a magically made-up sister, because Buffy’s only blood kin was her mother - her friends fill the role of family most of the time.

AtS is - by the very nature of its hero - different. Angel is a 250 year old vampire, and although the overriding theme is obviously redemption, family and history come a very, very close second. Even in the rather shaky S1 we have Spike and Penn popping up from his past, and several flashbacks to his life with Darla and Dru. Then come S2-4 and where would those be without Darla and Connor (and Dru to a lesser extent)? Angelus was a family man, and so is Angel... the story of those seasons all spring from his past and the consequences of that - how this impacts on his life now. His role as Darla’s childe/companion/partner and Connor’s father are pivotal. And then at the end of S4 he sells them all out to W&H for Connor’s sake...

“You gotta do what you can to protect your family. I learned that from my father.”
Connor, ‘Origin’

This essay is a look at what roles Spike took in S5 of AtS - looked at only from Angel’s side (Spike-centric, but not about Spike if you get my point). I know I’ve touched upon this before, but this is far more indepth. It’s in two parts, and as ususal I’ve got a million quotes:

Read more... )
elisi: (Vampire bonds by amavel_bel.)
Some people say that Spike had no reason for being on AtS, except as a tool for the executives to up the ratings. This never made sense to me, and the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. Sure Spike was part of the reason AtS got another season, but I cannot think of a single character in the entire ‘verse who’d be more suited to AtS in every way. I will even go so far as to say that he makes *more* sense on AtS than on BtVS. On Buffy he stuck around because he loved Buffy - that was his connection. Without that (in S4) it was hard to see where he fitted in. Because Buffy is very different to Angel:

BtVS is about Buffy and The Scoobies. It is about a young girl/woman and her friends... and by extension any lovers. When in S5 family becomes an overriding theme the writers had to add a magically made-up sister, because Buffy’s only blood kin was her mother - her friends fill the role of family most of the time.

AtS is - by the very nature of its hero - different. Angel is a 250 year old vampire, and although the overriding theme is obviously redemption, family and history come a very, very close second. Even in the rather shaky S1 we have Spike and Penn popping up from his past, and several flashbacks to his life with Darla and Dru. Then come S2-4 and where would those be without Darla and Connor (and Dru to a lesser extent)? Angelus was a family man, and so is Angel... the story of those seasons all spring from his past and the consequences of that - how this impacts on his life now. His role as Darla’s childe/companion/partner and Connor’s father are pivotal. And then at the end of S4 he sells them all out to W&H for Connor’s sake...

“You gotta do what you can to protect your family. I learned that from my father.”
Connor, ‘Origin’

This essay is a look at what roles Spike took in S5 of AtS - looked at only from Angel’s side (Spike-centric, but not about Spike if you get my point). I know I’ve touched upon this before, but this is far more indepth. It’s in two parts, and as ususal I’ve got a million quotes:

Read more... )
elisi: (Not Fade Away by amavel_bel.)
I've re-watched a few AtS S3 episodes recently - for the first time since I initially watched them (in my big AtS catch-up post-Chosen), and it's fascinating how well everything joins up. And then (as usual!) things began to stir around in my head, and this post is the result. It focusses on two parts of S3 (Offspring/Quickening/Lullaby and Birthday), and how these fit in with the overall arcs for the show and especially 'The ret-con'! Which of course leads me onto the topic of destiny... It's all kinds of engaging and satisfying, and yet again I prove how I am utterly unable to be concise - this thing just grew and grew. And also that I'm unable to write a thing without using a gazillion quotes - you have been warned!

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