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Serendipity is a funny thing...

This whole Joss mess has come along exactly as I decided to finally delve back into the AtS 'verse and finish a WIP I abandoned years ago. (As it happens, it's the only fic I've ever properly planned out, so I found my extensive notes and actually know where the story is going!)

Now, before beginning to write I figured I should probably watch a few episodes, just to make sure I had their voices right in my head; so I watched A Hole in the World and Shells. And it's a fascinating exercise in doublethink (doubleview?).

Like, I love the 'verse. I love the characters. I love the story. I will always be grateful to Joss & co for creating this world.

But there is also the fact that (the very very special) Fred has SIX men standing around her bedside. All of them going to go out and try to SAVE her. (See subject line...)

As you know, the only other women (still standing) in the extended cast are Harmony (who is delightful, but mostly comic relief) and Eve, who is very powerful yet lost all agency the second she lost her boyfriend. ETA: Oh and there's Nina too. I like Nina. It's sad her role never extends beyond Being The Girlfriend.

The interesting thing is that the same week my girls decided to watch [the new movie version of] Les Mis.

And it was exactly the same thing:

- Men make things happen.

- Women have things happen to them.

This is why Buffy (and Wonder Woman, Rey, et al) are so special. They make things happen.

(Possibly more musings later, but this is a pretty well-trodden path, and I'm preaching to the choir...)

Also I'm realising this is probably a pretty awful way to try to get people to read my 'Spike & Angel & Illyria go on an epic quest to undo the power of W&H' story, as it's rather male-centric. AH WELL. It's not like LJ is teeming with people reading AtS fic anymore. Although I should probably point out that there's a good deal of Buffy & her Slayer army in it too...

For those who want to try (and the lovely handful which read the first few chapters back in 2013 when I started posting and might want to have another look), you can find the fic here (well, the first 7 chapters):

Divided Destiny

More chapters coming soon! :D (*crickets*)

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Date: 27 August 2017 07:19 pm (UTC)
sueworld: Heart (Default)
From: [personal profile] sueworld
"They should have taken a leaf out of Moffat's book. By all means kill the girl & make the fella suffer. Only then make her immortal & give her a girlfriend. ;)"

Oh god, sorry, but I thought that was such a wuss out. It's like Moffat always wants his characters to play with fire, but can't leave them permanently burnt.

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Date: 28 August 2017 10:45 pm (UTC)
greensword: (i came out to have a good time)
From: [personal profile] greensword
On the one hand, yes it's a children's show, on the other hand it's not like they've never killed off a companion before. They've even had companions experience Donna's fate before, although they didn't experience the personal betrayal of the Doctor doing it to them against their wishes.

Regardless, I think my favorite moment in the entirety of Clara's run (maybe the entirety of Moffat's run) was the moment Clara eloquently tells the Doctor off for trying to Donna her. Catharsis!

(Although wtf happens after that makes very little sense to me. Up for helping me understand that part too?)
Edited Date: 28 August 2017 10:53 pm (UTC)

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Date: 30 August 2017 02:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greensword
Very true. But there is a line to walk between making everything too safe, and killing off the viewer identification character.

That's a solid point, that the companions were less central to the show before and people probably didn't identify with them as much.

re: Clara - But why was she willing to lose her memories? She gave a big speech about how important they were to her, and then accepted a 50% chance of losing them? I thought it would have made a lot more sense if she'd just said, look, if this is so important to you, why don't you get rid of your memories of me? Or even: Look, you've got hundreds of years of memories of adventures in space and time, this is all I've got, it's far easier for you to lose your memories of me so don't ask it of me. Or: maybe while you're deleting me you can delete the 5 billion years in the torture dial.

As it was, I though it undercut the previous moment, and totally distracted me while the Doctor was losing his memories. I'm sure it was supposed to be poignant and sad and I was just like, "??????".

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Date: 31 August 2017 02:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greensword
It definitely takes a bit out of the scene for me, and I wish they'd just had the Doctor zap himself, but *shrugs* it's a show with 36 seasons not every moment of every ep is going to work for me.

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Date: 1 September 2017 01:46 am (UTC)
greensword: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greensword
<3 I think I've posted like 30 comments on this entry. Thanks for humoring me with explanations, I do feel like I understand the episode quite a bit better now, even if I'm not fully satisfied.


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