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Penelope Trunk: Grit is overrated; the hardest worker never wins
Especially this part:

I have thought for a long time that all the time management gurus are men because men have huge chunks of time uninterrupted by children. And the workplace is organized for time productivity, whereas the home is organized in a non-linear way that segments time into lots of small chunks interrupted by emergencies/breakdowns/crying etc. The workplace is about using time to get money. The home is about using time to get a nap.

Brigid Schulte talks about women’s time as being like confetti; little chunks float by in an unorganized way and you take them as you can. There’s no grit here; it’s just trying to stay ahead of the next problem. There is no flow because dinner would burn. There is no engagement because cumulative sleep deprivation of raising kids shifts focus to just keeping them alive.


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ETA: Another Penelope Trunk, since I'm here:

Feminism fails because women lie to each other about work. Oh, and go Cubs!
But what is a surprise is that she has her own business, Two Penny Blue. I clicked the About section.

And I am SO INCREDIBLY BLOWN AWAY BY THE CRAP SHE DISHES OUT ON HER SITE THAT I’M PRINTING IT ALL HERE. RIGHT NOW.

NO. WAIT. I’M GOING TO ANNOTATE IT.

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Date: 18 February 2017 12:29 pm (UTC)
kass: white cat; "kass" (Default)
From: [personal profile] kass
Oh, wow, that Penelope Trunk article.

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Date: 19 February 2017 01:02 am (UTC)
kaffyr: Calvin face palms (Calvin face palm)
From: [personal profile] kaffyr
Wow. She's as full of shit as the woman she so dismissively writes about. After reading her "about me" I am reminded anew of the term "humble brag."

Also? That headline is prime click bait.

(Sorry, but everything about this woman, who I've not known about before, has immediately rubbed me the wrong way. I'll try reading her again, possibly, on a better day.)

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Date: 19 February 2017 05:01 am (UTC)
owlboy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
Agreed lol

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Date: 19 February 2017 11:57 pm (UTC)
kaffyr: The First Doctor isn't amused (Bullshit!)
From: [personal profile] kaffyr
Maybe I'm just grumpy, but jesus harold christ ....

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Date: 20 February 2017 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlboy
Im sure shes a lovely person but she reminds me a bit too much of the kind of the kind of women in libertarian circles who would stomp on me for my lack of corporate ambition. Liek sorry im not buying your definition of success. I have my own thx

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Date: 20 February 2017 12:06 am (UTC)
owlboy: (Community - Abed)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
She's like the opposite of Aspergers haha. I mean

>>In one of them, she observes how the therapy groups afterwards were good for networking.

Aspies don't network. That's the whole problem :']

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Date: 20 February 2017 02:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlboy
Addendum: not that this is a criticism of HER specifically, i just think someone has convinced her that brusque women must have a social disorder which is kind of sad

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Date: 21 February 2017 01:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlboy
From everything I've read she just sounds dyspraxic. social awkwardness =/= autism

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Date: 20 February 2017 03:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlboy
>>That person has to be good at doing the things the person with Aspergers is not good at doing.

...No shit. Really? ಠ_ಠ

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Date: 18 February 2017 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
I've had my concerns about the grit-as-buzzword thing. Like promoting hard work and pushing through the unpleasant is definitely good up to a point, but it's also something that, when overdone, produces unhealthy compliance. Which is really good for people in a position to profit (financially or otherwise) from other people's work. (Because the point of "Pushing harder isn't bringing the results I want" is usually well before the point of "My employee/student/subordinate is pushing themselves too hard and not giving me the results I want.")

Although, the bit about women's time is again sending my brain off in the direction of stuff that's For Women not being for me. (At some point, I want to put together some intelligent thoughts on that, because I know I'm an outlier, but I can't be that much of an outlier, and I feel like there can be a meaningful point about how often even feminist sources present Women's Experiences in a way that leaves a large percentage of women out, if I can just put a name on it. There's like a lot of concepts floating around in my head I'm trying to figure out how to fit together.)

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
I read a thing about women with "low gender solidarity" being more likely to hold negative attitudes about other women, and I feel like that pulls into it somehow. And at the same time, I think some of that ties in with how much Women's Stuff is aimed at people who have or want kids, who are straight (a lot more of that, still, than one would think), who like presenting as feminine, who are or plan to be married, and who are within a certain range of the culture's beauty ideals. (And probably aimed heavily at white women - I don't always have the keenest eye for these things, as I'm white and it's harder to spot when you're being included in the default than when you're excluded.) And that connects together in a way I'm still trying to mentally develop.

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
And like I know for me, what made a difference in terms of how I viewed feminism was getting away from "You are supposed to relate to and identify and share common experiences with everything we're describing" and into "Here are some people who no one is trying to make you identify with, here is a pattern to their experiences pointing to larger social issues" and natural empathy did the rest. (I joined the Peace Corps.) And I'm thinking that less evoking the monolith of Women's Experiences can make for better communication, and actually better connection.

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Date: 18 February 2017 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Although, the bit about women's time is again sending my brain off in the direction of stuff that's For Women not being for me.
This. Pretty much anything that starts off as 'women are like _____,' my brain just goes 'nope.'

Though this particular description of time management is very much my job, which mostly consists of trying to get scraps of things done and stay sane amidst constant interruption and herding of distractible people. And I rather have a feeling that women are over-represented in jobs with similar structures.

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Date: 18 February 2017 12:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
Whoops. This was me. Logged out for some reason.

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:08 pm (UTC)
promethia_tenk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
Now that is an interesting point.
Teaching is like this, and women are certainly over-represented there.

I do enjoy listening to anyone badmouth these popular hard-core time management cults. Any time I read about them, my soul just shrivels inside.

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's like "For women..." "Well, I'm not going to relate to whatever comes next."

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eve11.livejournal.com
At some point, I want to put together some intelligent thoughts on that, because I know I'm an outlier, but I can't be that much of an outlier, and I feel like there can be a meaningful point about how often even feminist sources present Women's Experiences in a way that leaves a large percentage of women out, if I can just put a name on it.

Ditto. I think this way a lot. My perspective is that these social models are good for some things, and not good for others. Like all models and grand theories, it is not good to ignore them, but it is also not good to over-interpret them. The famous quote regarding statistical models is: "All models are wrong; some are useful".

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Date: 18 February 2017 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think the Women's Experience model is sometimes used in unhelpful ways, and a lot of people write about it like it's the territory, not the map, which (to venture into painfully overextended metaphor) is difficult if you're all "I see no sign of that river you say should be right in front of me."

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Date: 21 February 2017 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckweaver.livejournal.com
I agree with so many of your points here because although I know that my gender is 100% female (okay, maybe I'm 98% sure) I'm a cis-woman who does want children, but has very much their own way of managing time. That and like you said, I don't have the Woman's Experiences that feminist articles seem to think I should have to call myself a feminist. I am comfortable presenting as male and actually do enjoy it. I'm not too good at wording this kind of thing either but I think what I'm trying to say is # Not All Feminists Are The Same? Though I lost the original point early on, there.

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Date: 21 February 2017 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
I get that. And there are much better ways to present feminism than making the shared Women's Experiences so central. I don't have to share the experience of being mommy-tracked at the office or having a male partner who gives himself credit for "helping" or "babysitting" when doing less than his share of the chores to see the problem with those things.

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Date: 18 February 2017 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sea_thoughts
But how do you define hard work or 'grit'? If your definition is 'first in, last out' then you are not taking into account people's other commitments (not just children but other family members who need assistance, animals, charitable organisations...)

Did you see this?

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Date: 19 February 2017 07:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sea_thoughts
She was so gentle with that girl and so reassuring. GDI America.

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Date: 18 February 2017 02:30 pm (UTC)
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Date: 18 February 2017 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
Thank you for the links, honey (I MISS HILLARY, TOO!)

*HUGS*

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Date: 18 February 2017 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ragnarok-08.livejournal.com
Thank you so much for the links!!

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