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Date: 25 January 2017 04:48 pm (UTC)
owlboy: (Disney - Mrs Banks)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
>>Thank Margaret Sanger for your legal birth control.

They do not mention Katharine McCormick, who did most of the science stuff and funding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_McCormick

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Date: 28 January 2017 09:08 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian: Willow (BUF-ImaGirl-chosenxone)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
Good post, thanks!

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Date: 25 January 2017 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerkevik-2014.livejournal.com
So many people just do not understand what Feminism is all about.

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Date: 25 January 2017 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
Here's the thing:

Judging by the comments, the piece seems to have been felt as a condescending slap by people who don't share the same ideological label, but aren't all that massively in disagreement. (Not to mention evidence of a double standard where invalidation is considered bad, and listening to people's lived experiences is considered good, but it's totally okay to hand out a "I know what your life is like better than you do" list of ways one should feel oppressed.)

I have a lot of thoughts about why (starting with the second-person voice making it feel a lot more like someone's personally lecturing the reader on their own life experience), but is it even intended to persuade? Is it meant to reach out at all, or is it purely preaching to the choir?

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Date: 30 January 2017 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
It just reminds me of all of the stuff that fed into my "Feminism, ugh!" phase. Granted, a big part of it was me being young and immature (and seeking an easy way to annoy my very feminist mom - yes, I was literally a teenager), but what got me to reconsider was stepping away from "Let me tell you what your experiences as a woman are!" and getting into "Okay, your life is what it is, but look at these problems other people have." (My life tends to be atypical on multiple fronts, so I can never relate to standard What Women Experience lists.)

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Date: 30 January 2017 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
I hope people enjoyed it. It didn't appeal to me but I suspect it's not for me.

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Date: 25 January 2017 04:41 pm (UTC)
kikimay: (Buffy and Willow)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
On point. I saw many comments about the Women's March, some women telling that the manifestants had to be ashamed about the little vagina hats or the slogans used. Anti-feminist women actually exist.

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Date: 25 January 2017 06:10 pm (UTC)
sea_thoughts: (DWTogether - what_a_pair)
From: [personal profile] sea_thoughts
I think it would have had a better reception if it had been written as 'we' instead of 'you', which gives the piece a slightly hectoring tone. Everything in there is true, however.

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Date: 30 January 2017 07:40 pm (UTC)
sea_thoughts: (DWWhat Are You On - londonbeauty001)
From: [personal profile] sea_thoughts
Of course, I understand the frustration.

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Date: 25 January 2017 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com
It's interesting how many people are critiquing this piece based on what amounts to tone, isn't it? Well if she was just NICER about wanting equality... Ugh.

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Date: 26 January 2017 01:14 am (UTC)
lynnenne: (politics: here's where you make a choice)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
This. I don't give a shit if readers find it hectoring, lecturing, whatever. Every word of it is truth.

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Date: 26 January 2017 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
You don't think tone is important when judging a piece of published writing? I'm trying to figure out what it's trying to do, because what seems like the obvious purpose (persuasion) is totally undermined by the tone, so either it's ineffectively presented or it's attempting to do something I don't understand. (Maybe it's only for people who already agree?)

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Date: 26 January 2017 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com
Depends what the writing is. This piece is angry because it has a right to be. Not all essays are meant to persuade, sometimes they are meant to be a protest. We have a lot to protest lately, and it's unfair to expect everyone who are being stripped of their fundamental rights to be nice about it. Particularly since telling women to "be nice, be a lady, don't complain or you're a bitch" goes back to the dawn of time. It's okay for women to be angry. It's okay to voice that anger at anyone who wants to shut down argument. There are plenty of people who are fighting for justice with a measured tone, trying not to offend anyone. Let them, that's their right. But others want to illustrate the pain and rage, and right now, that's just as necessary.

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Date: 26 January 2017 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfy-writing.livejournal.com
I see. Probably misinterpreted it due to being too literal about it being a response to the previous piece. Obviously it resonates with some people. Fair enough.

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Date: 26 January 2017 07:36 pm (UTC)

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Date: 25 January 2017 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com
I read the original post about not feeling like a second-hand citizen as a woman on FaceBook. My sister-in-law's MIL had posted it and I thought she had written it. I definitely gave her a piece of my mind (as respectfully as possible since I already got in trouble with my MIL on FB over my response to something she posted on there about Trump.) The author of this piece probably did a better job countering her arguments then I did.

Stacey

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Date: 19 February 2017 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com
Thanks! Some people you just can't reach and it does feel pointless to try, but sometimes it's not so hopeless.

Stacey
Edited Date: 19 February 2017 06:22 pm (UTC)

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Date: 21 February 2017 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com
That's true!

Stacey

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Date: 26 January 2017 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] desdemonaspace
Excellent points, all of them. Thanks for linking to that.

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